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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (73562)2/13/2003 12:04:33 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
John, Herman repeatedly called the policies of the Zionists and the State of Israel for the last hundred years - not just the current government - "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing", thus depriving those words of all serious meaning. As I pointed out, one can reliably say that a people suffering genocide or ethnic cleansing decrease in numbers; the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza have more than tripled in number since 1967.

That sounds as if you consider the post simply wrong. I certainly wouldn't argue with that, nor with the assertion that we have a great many posts which I consider wrong. But to be wrong is surely not to be anti-semitic.

do not include "criticism of the Israeli government" as anti-Semitism. But I do include Zionism=racism=colonialism=Nazism as anti-Semitic; what is it but another way of saying that nationalism is a good thing for other people but the Jews don't deserve any?

That's a very odd point. I know you are not making the point that nationalism is coterminous with racism, colonialism, and/or Nazism, but the line reads that way. Care to untangle it for me? And which posts show the problem that bothers you?

The third category I object to (which included some of scott's more recent posts) is the Perle-Feith-Wolfowitz-are-members-of-the-World-Zionist-Conspiracy. They are working for Israel, not the US. The Jews are behind it all. This is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion tricked out in a new suit.

Care to offer links for these posts?

Did you notice that hyper-dove Rabbi Lerner (certainly no friend to the Sharon government) has been banned from speaking at the next anti-war rallies by ANSWER as a "pro-Israel" speaker? Meaning that Rabbi Lerner favors a two-state solution; he is pro-Israel and pro-Palestine. ANSWER favors a one-state solution: no Israel.

Yep, definitely saw that. My experience with these kinds of protest movements is they are terribly infected with purist motives and, sometimes can destroy themselves that way. ANSWER is beginning to sound as if it wishes to out-purity everyone else. That would be unfortunate.

Above all, I consider the idea that Israel, out of all the countries in the world, uniquely deserves to be wiped off the map, anti-Semitic.

The only place I read that seriously argues that is in posts you find from jihadists groups in the Arab world. No doubt there are others. But I haven't seen them here. If you have some in mind, please provide the links.
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