I used it in regard to whether or not the policy of collaboration with allies is intelligent. I have no idea how that translates into the comments you make.
Pardon moi, but here's where that started:
" Did you notice that just recently, as he was looking at the US about ready to pull the trigger of the gun it had pointed at him, Saddam agreed to allow U2 flights over Iraq? The only thing the man respects is force or the credible threat of force. Anything else is meaningless.
And you want the UN to exercise its jawbone more."
We were talking about the UN. I hardly regard that motley collection of 200+ "nations" as our allies. To a large extent I stand by my "10th-rate tinhorn dictators" comment. With the exception of a small number of actual working democracies. And with exception of nations like China which are not 10th-rate dictatorships, but 1st-rate dictatorships.
I have no idea how that translates into the comments you make.
Yes, I'm sure you don't. You seem to be having trouble following logical arguments.
Objecting to shoving a consensus off an orifice is not the same as insisting that consensus must always prevail.
I see. You just insist that the consensus prevail THIS TIME. Or any other time the US gov't disagrees with your opinion. Which I suspect is a rather common state.
I don't know. Is there a point which is hanging on what the Canadian or US GDP is at??
You said
If we DO have 1/2 % of the world population (and 1 out of 200 seems high to me), then YOU must have almost 4 % of the world's population? Not a great basis for arrogance, IMO!!
Well, you object to having 4% of world population as a basis of arrogance, so I thought having 20% of world product might provide a better basis.
I didn't say that someone was frightened by banditos.
Go back through the chain of posts and find these words of YOURS:
"It is a collection of frightened nations surrounded by intrigue and continual danger"
And you were referring to Europe. We were talking about the fact that it did nothing about the Balkans chaos until the US made it happen.
Separated and isolated from enemies, YOU may have the luxury to be arrogant and casual about the economies and the lives and the stability of these regions and nearby regions.
NOBODY is separated and isolated anymore. Maybe the Europeans ought to give more thought to the fact that they are much closer to Iraq than we are. And that cowardice and appeasement didn't work the last time they tried it.
Don't be perverse. Everything the US does affects the world. Economic warfare is more insidious for Nations sometimes than just being done with it.
I call that evasion. This was the question:
"Just when, since WW2, has the US threatened invasion of Europe? Probably about the last time we threatened Canada, right?"
This was your statement that led to that question:
Europe was/is not an empire. It is a collection of frightened nations surrounded by intrigue and continual danger (from amongst others, the long arm of the US).
Do you think this is just about the US??
Appears to be. Not really though. Did you notice that vote in the NATO Council was 16-3? And the "16" side included the US? ANd that your country, Canada, was one of the nations voting with the US?
You think there is some benefit in NOT at least attempting to make the invasion lawful?
Yeah. We've got the troops and supplies in the area. It costs $$$$, lots of them, to have them there. We aren't going to wait forever. And the UN mainly seems to be cover for Saddam's delaying strategy.
Do you think that an outlaw act will endear public support?
You asking me? I'm beyond caring.
Do you want your country demonstrating like they did in the Vietnam era? Do you want divisiveness eating the guts out of your people day after day after day?
I think those idiots should think about what they are REALLY doing. Saddam is watching this too and taking courage from it. It leads him to believe he can pull off his charade. And that makes the war they claim they want to avoid even more probable.
Do you think Saddam would still be alive in power in Iraq if the US and Europe presented a united front to him?
Don't you know that the UN is not just about the US?
Yeah. It's about Iraq heading the UN Disarmament Committee and Libya replacing the US on the UN Human Rights Committee. Some recomendation.
Do you know how much incredible control the US has been able to exert on world affairs BECAUSE the UN provides a lawful means of exercising control over others???
No. Tell me. It looks like a stubborn obstacle, actually.
Politicians are used to reversing policy when ever they need to for temporary leverage.
So deceptive political machinations are now a virtue? In all your screeching about truth and right, this is where you end up??? |
