<<Osama bin Laden SAID he attacked for two reasons,
because our troops were in the holy land, and because of our one-sided support of Israel against the Palestinians. I have thought from the time of the
9/11 that we should wipe out al-Qaeda, then quietly and unostentatiously comply with its demands.>>
I'm going from memory here, but a few months after 9/11 and before the Afganistan invasion commenced, a reporter got an audience with Osama. One of the lines of questions dealt with why Al-Queda has been sent to attack American people. His response was to that he did not like the American government and its policies. But since the USA is a democracy and we the people voted for our leadership, all Americans must bear the brunt of their governments decisions. In that interview, I recall more of the "great satan" BS than our support of Israel. Maybe if someone has reference to this interview, they can post it.
<< It establishes a principle so broad and so vapid (help Western Civ, hurt everybody else) that where it gets
applied depends on other considerations. >>
Not the case - We take the "side" of Western Civilization when the opponent has written policies stating that the goal is destruction of the West. If the culture is not threatening to Western Civilization, then there is no need to take up arms against it.
Clerics in France, Britian and here in the USA are periodically spouting off about turning the democracy into an Islamic state. The Koran writes of killing infidels wherever they may be encountered. Islamic extremists who follow those principles to the letter, these are the enemy.
<<Factually not true. Sharon, in the fall of 2000 (if I remember correctly) visited the Temple Mount on a Friday afternoon at about the time that Mosque was
letting out. He did this knowing full well that his presence would be a provocation. The next day Israeli soldiers went in and killed seven of the usual mob of
rock throwing kids.>>
The Israeli's surely are not saints. But if you are trying to use one sole example to counter the scores of homicide bombings of innocent Jewish people, then I guess you have successfully countered my statement and won the arguement. But it seems that you are attempting to equate the levels of atrocities INITIATED by both sides, and I do not see that.
<<If you don’t believe me, look up the facts about the Liberty (which, if I remember correctly, was the name of the
American naval ship attack by Israeli warplanes, in which 30 American seamen were killed. >>
I do not dispute the above. Like I said, the Israelis are not saints. There are several conspiracies out there wrt to the Israelis and their involvement in 9-11 attacks. I would not entirely discount that some are not in part true.
But you have not swayed me against favoring Israel over the Palestinian people.
Why can't the Palestinians try a different tactic? Ever hear of Gandhi??
The Arab world do not want to integrate, they do not want the Israeli state anywhere in the Middle East. Their maps do not as much as acknowledge that a Jewish state exists.
Maybe as KB suggests we need to relocate the entirety of Jewish Israel to the USA. Here's a place:
nyecounty.net
Nye County NV has twice the acreage of Israel, but only about 35,000 population vs. the 6 million of Israel. Squeeze the 35000 into 1/2 of Nye County, and donate the remainder to resettle the Jewish people of Israel. |
