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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread

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To: Hawkmoon who started this subject2/27/2003 8:48:38 AM
From: zonder  Read Replies (1) of 15987
 
A far more qualified translator than myself commenting on Chirac's words of late. I translated "se taire" as "to shut up", but I have to admit that it translates better into "to keep quiet" as there is "fermer sa gueule" (literally, to shut up one's face) that's way above in the scale of rudeness, and that's the phrase for "to shut up").

iht.com

No, Chirac didn't really say 'shut up'

Eleanor and Michel Levieux
IHT
Thursday, February 27, 2003

European disunion

PARIS Did President Jacques Chirac of France actually tell half of Europe to shut up last week? Was he scolding a bunch of unruly children?
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Not exactly. Translating the nuances of the "language of diplomacy," as French was once known, can be très difficile.
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Although France and Germany have stood at the forefront of European resistance to the Bush administration's position on Iraq, 13 East European countries have expressed support for the United States. They include Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, already accepted by the European Union as future members, and 10 others, most of them candidates for membership.
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Chirac said that these countries "ont manqué une bonne occasion de se taire," rendered in part of the American and British press as "missed a good opportunity to shut up."
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But Chirac's words were a significant notch above that level of discourse. To be sure, he could have been quite formal and said "ont manqué une bonne occasion de s'absentir de tout commentaire" ("refrain from making any comment"), or "garder le silence" or "se garder de s'exprimer" ("keep silent" or "say nothing"). And of course, he also could have taken a much lower road and said "ont manqué une bonne occasion de fermer leur gueule" or "de la fermer", which would indeed mean "to shut up." The verb Chirac chose, "se taire," ("to remain silent") was neither elegant nor rude, simply neutral.
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That's not to say that he wasn't upset. France and Germany have long been the pillars of the European Union, and Eastern Europe, for all its politeness in seeking admission to the club, almost certainly appeared to Chirac to be taking undue license.
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"Their behavior is rather irresponsible and not very polite," Chirac went on to say. In French, that's "Ce n'est pas un comportement bien responsable. Ce n'est pas très bien élevé."
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"Bien élevé" means "well brought up," and when used in the negative, as Chirac used it, it typically describes a misbehaving child.
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But "ce n'est pas très bien élevé" is definitely not as strong as "c'est mal élevé" would have been.
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That would have simply meant "it's rude."
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Eleanor and Michel Levieux are the authors of "Insider's French: Beyond the Dictionary."
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