How this leads you to conclude that Iraq and Kosovo are analogous is beyond me? I think your accusation that Al and I are saying one is okay and one is not based on who was president is your excuse for not looking closely at the reasons for going to war with Iraq.
No, my accusation is based on the fact that neither of you has any reasonable explanation for your difference in the positions. Al's, in fact, has been worse -- proclaiming that, in effect, because America had no national security interest in Kosovo it somehow makes it more "just".
I have explained it to you over and over but you don't hear the explanation. Z got it and pointed it out to you once again, and you still don't get it. So I give up.
also can say when Clinton made his case for going in, it made logical sense, it made obligatory sense and was predicated on a sense of duty rather than paranoid fear. I was never once worried that things might get out of control nor that there would be serious repercussions for the US going forward. And to date that has proven true.
Clinton didn't "make the case". He went to war without either congressional or UN approval.
Yes, that's true...Russia was allied with Milosevic and vetoed or threatened to veto the necessary resolution, and Congress was controlled by the GOP and refused to give their permission inspite of the fact we were required to perform under the NATO treaty. Neither reason seems to be a very good one.
A clear and present danger to our allies or ourselves.
But there was no clear and present danger to our allies or ourselves in Kosovo.
Our allies disagree with your position.
I am opposed to going to war against Iraq under this president.
Right. Even though this war with Iraq is more justifiable than the war against Kosovo.
In your mind, not mine.
In this instance, there is a clear threat to us (according to practically every expert on the subject)
Most experts say quite the opposite. The only so called experts who think he presents a danger to us are those in the administration
, there have been tremendous human rights violations,
Unfortunately, there is a lot of this going on in this world. If war is predicated on this issue, our first obligation should be to an African nation like Ethiopia.
and he poses a clear threat to both our military in the region as well as our allies in the region (Israel, and Kuwait as well).
Forget that Saddam is not attacking anyone......that he's a has been and acts like one now. But if he were to attack Israel, then we would go in and help as befitting an ally. Let's not forget Israel is the superpower in the ME region.
As for Kuwait, they, like most of their Muslim neighbors, no longer see him as a threat but they wouldn't mind if he were gone.
I am afraid your argument doesn't hold up well under closer scrutiny.
ted
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