So God tells Moses he will do it himself. And by that he means Saul will do it?
God quite often uses rulers to avenge evil. Despite how it may appear, He is always in control.
There are plenty [general commands to murder people]. Like Moses' genocidal campaign against Midian, and the previously mentioned order to exterminate the Seven Nations of Caanan (who were infidels).
And that is God Himself commanding a particular group of people to do a particular thing. It is clearly unreasonable for me to think I have freedom by the Scriptures to murder the Amalekites or Midianites. (sigh)
And then there's Deuteronomy 13:6-8:
Please... You have confused a recounting of history for current law. The Deut. text was indeed the law for the pre-Christian Hebrew theocracy, led by God Himself. It is obviously no command to me because Christ now fulfills the law Himself. Had God Himself given me, not the Hebrews, but me, a command to kill idolaters, then I would be bound to do it. But there is no such command in the Scriptures and that is why you do not see any worldwide Christian movement to kill anyone, as you do with Islam.
If you really think exterminating an entire race of people for something their ancestors allegedly did, let's say, 400 years earlier is moral, well that's your business i guess.
No. It is God's business. The text is clear that because Amalek attacked Israel during the exodus out of Egypt, God cursed the whole nation. If you disagree with that, then complain to God.
Personally, the idea that there is such a thing as an evil race of people that needs to be destroyed is about the most immoral concept i can imagine.
Well if God chooses to destroy people, it is His choice, whether you think it repugnant or not. He has destroyed disobedient people in the past, and He is certainly going to do it in the future. And it really will not matter if one's unGodly sense of morality conflicts with Him.
Well, i did offer it as an aside in a separate post.
And the point certainly stands because this has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Not at all. The ambush is only described in Deuteronomy, not Exodus.
Hah! You are being dishonest. You claimed it wasn't even mentioned in Exodus and that the thing was unscrupulously put in Deuteronomy to justify blood lust. You obviously were completely ignorant of the fact that it was indeed mentioned in Exodus.
In Exodus Gods says he will deal with Amalek. In Deuteronomy God says "you" will deal with Amalek, for all time.
In Exodus 17:8-16 we see the narrative shows God using Israel to defeat Amalek. When Moses held up his hand, the Israelites were victorious. When Moses lowered his hands, the Israelites began to lose. God quite often uses rulers to punish evil.
And of course Deuteronomy wasn't discovered until after Saul did his deed.
If believing this helps you to sleep, then go ahead and believe it. The fact is, God clearly stated as far back as Exodus and Numbers that He was going to destroy Amalek and He told why He was going to do it. That is a fact you claim was not mentioned until Deuteronomy. You are clearly in error and now are trying to avoid the truth. Even if Saul never had heard of the Scriptures, God Himself was interested in destroying Amalek and did it not because it was written in a book, but because that is simply what he wanted to do. God uses rulers to do His bidding whether the rulers know it or not.
Do you get a lot of converts this way?
I am seriously not interested in 'getting' you to be anything. I am simply telling the truth. You do with it as you wish. |
