James
RE>>What is it that I am not saying
to open the eyes that do not see and the ears that do not hear?<<
There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.
Unbelievers point to the "FACT" that the bible is "interpreted"
in a different way by everyone who reads it.
By this they excuse themselves from any obligation to God
to study or obey 'because' the truth can not be known for a certainty.
IT IS A PRETTY GOOD ARGUMENT
*************** Except ****************
That the argument is completely invalid.
It is known as an "argument from abuse" and is classically
known as a fallacy.
A fallacy is false reasoning.
***AND*** because the premises are mis-stated they are therefore false.
The futuristic return of Christ - which almost everyone believes - is also a fallacy.
Fallacies are usually based on twisted precepts or conditions but not always.
Here is an example of GOOD LOGIC..
Premises
1. All dogs have tails
2. All dogs have whiskers
3. All dogs have fur
4. All dogs have 4 legs
5. All dogs have wet noses
6. All dogs are warm blooded
Observations
Felix has all of those things
Conclusion
Therefore Felix is a dog
Now that is GOOD and Excellent LOGIC
Felix is a CAT however but good logic is essential to reach
correct conclusions.
In other words - even though the conclusion was wrong.
The logic was good.
Now if you can get to a wrong conclusion using good logic
How can anyone hope to get there using illogical methods?
You see James - most 'christians' refuse to even get to logic.
They insist that the Holy Spirit has shown them the right conclusions
and will not even look at their false doctrines and premises.
My example above uses correct premises and yet reaches an incorrect conclusion
Men use logic because they can be sure that
using false premises will reach false conclusions.
**IF** only one more premise had been added...
7. All dogs bark
Then the "meow" of Felix would have given it away that
Felix could not be a dog.
We might not yet know what Felix is but we can know
that Felix does not bark and cannot fulfill premise #7
And Conclude
Felix is NOT a dog because all dogs bark.
The problem with futurist is they do not want to look at #7
They look at all the other 6 and run like the devil from #7 and #8 and #9
and the incredible pile of scriptural evidence that the futurist view point is unbiblical.
Your question to me - which is basically - WHY??
Is to be answered another way...
What if you were a pet salesman and had an order for a dog?
You have dear old Felix for sale and so...
you do not WANT to look at the obvious!
Felix is a dog and everyone knows that so people like us are wrong.
Why not ask these questions.
1.What did Jesus do wrong that the religious leaders failed
to understand that He was not a heretic
in need of drastic and final excommunicated to protect the people?
2. Why did the miracles not convince the temple church that Jesus was God?
3. Why would God allow the “church” to be so wrong about who Christ was
and allow fishermen, tax collectors and whores to understand?
4. The church (Temple system or otherwise) as a whole could not be wrong
so why not trust their decisions about Christ and others who have been condemned?
You are dealing with people who have something else at stake other than God’s truth.
The unbelievers are using GOOD LOGIC when they say the bible is worthless reading
if Spiritual Truth is the goal.
Premises
There are many interpretations of the bible
Truth can not teach opposite things
Observation
People interpret opposite things
Christ came back already – Christ did not come back yet.
Conclusion
The bible is worthless if seeking absolute truth.
They have used GOOD LOGIC
***BUT*** they have reached another false conclusion.
Felix is not a dog and the Bible is not 'worthless' literature.
The problem with the above is again insufficient premises but also
a sneaky misuse of terms of premises.
There are more than one kind of TERMS of premises….
Look at these 2 different statements:
All dogs bark
Some dogs bark
If only “SOME” dogs bark then Felix may in fact still be a dog
BECAUSE ‘maybe’ some dogs MEOW. It was only because
“ALL” dogs bark and the ‘presumption’ that because Felix makes
meow noises that it was likely Felix never makes a BARKS.
It was never proven that Felix does not bark – it was presumed.
You can see that finding truth – when a simple example of proving ‘doghood’
can prove complex that Biblical truth can become very difficult especially
when men have so many other agendas at heart.
Look at this then:
NO dogs MEOW
If that were one of the premises then we have an IRON CLAD case that
“FELIX” is NOT a dog.
We Observed a characteristic on Felix that is definitely OPPOSITE to
one of the TERMS of the premises.
The only way we could be wrong is **IF** the premise or
our observation was wrong…..
What if we only “thought” that the meow noise came from Felix?
How do we prove that NO dogs Meow – did we listen to every dog on earth to make sure?
This is where people like MARS can play all day!!!
The truth is that LOGIC is only as good as it’s application and illogical people
will rarely blame their applications and misuse of facts and observations
never mind their presumptive conclusions.
The problem is not YOUR presentation James except in the ways that you are also
Guilty of the same offence – that offence being…
People attempt to defend their own beliefs and pride.
That is what those who crucified Christ and all those who created for the church the
many martyrs have always done
BECAUSE they have felt a burden to defend what they thought or hoped was true
they - Committed the greatest of sins – calling truth blasphemy – condemning the innocent.
Matthew 12:6 But I say unto you,
That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth,
I will have mercy, and not sacrifice,
ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Very few are will to allow God to do the work including you and I.
We all have a 'mission' of defending our own temples.
That blinds men to change and teachability.
Men would rather win a debate than discover truth and repent.
You and I at one time believed that the second coming would be future.
We were taught that - we did not discover that ourselves from the bible.
Paul was taught - he was mistaught and when he was stopped by the blinding light
of Christ - it was then and only then that he could go back and look at the whole matter
again without the baggage of 'winning' or defending his 'temple' or religion
You see the unbelievers make wrong premises by false terms.
When you restate the premise above ..
1.There are many interpretations of the bible
2.Truth can not teach opposite things
The premise "there are many" is an invalid term - it is only an observation.
One must presume that all 'interpretations' are equally valid to make it work.
If one states the premise this way instead:
1. There are False interpretations of the bible
2. Truth cannot teach what is false
THEREFORE
The bible is false
More people begin to see that the argument is invalid.
It is invalid for even more reasons but the more you conform to the rules of logic
the more easily people begin to see what is fallacious and what is not.
To say
1. NO dogs Meow
Felix Meows
Therefore Feliz is NOT dog.
Is simple - we do not need all those other premises that cloud the issue.
Unfortunately when you try to get futurist to look at the simple they run to the
complex to hide from the simple truth that futurism is unbiblical.
Allow me to restate.
1. The bible teaches that Christ would return within 40 years
2. Christ did not return yet.
Therefore
The bible is false teaching
***OR***
1. The bible teaches that Christ would return within 40 years
2. The bible is truth
Therefore
Futurism is false
Most futurist insist that
"2. Christ did not return yet"
rather than deal with
"1. The bible teaches that Christ would return within 40 years"
Because many will admit that Christ did teach He would return.
Many have said that the apostles and early church expected Christ but were wrong.
They will even say that Christ was wrong when He said the following...
Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city,
flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you,
Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel,
till the Son of man be come.
Christ said VERILY I SAY
Futurist say MISTAKENLY HE SAID
How can you fix people who would rather call Christ a liar than believe?
Don't blame yourselves but rather rejoice because it has been given...
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them,
Unto you is given the mystery of the kingdom of God:
but unto them that are without,
all things are done in parables:
Rejoice - they are not your problem James - they are the norm.
James - you are likely the only one who will sort through this post.
Forgive me for not spending much time organizing or improving it
but I trust you will sort it out and hear what I am saying
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few chosen.
Without the spirit we can know nothing - but by trampling on logic
even some who have been born again - will miss much of what God has revealed.
They have become the unteachable defenders of false doctrines of the modern temple :-) |
