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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (94655)4/18/2003 6:05:04 PM
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Do you believe in democracy, or don't you? Are we going to set up a democracy in Iraq, or not

Well, you seem to think we are.

I'm merely pointing out an irony, and a complexity.

The Shiites are rallying for a regime repressive of females. Just how repressive they didn't say. They only cheered for controlling their clothing. Maybe it was a fashion statement.

What restrictions on the rights of Iraqi females, and while we're at it, since I'm in a pessimistic mood, on everyone's right, for example, to freedom of expression, would convince you that the regime that was carrying them out was not "democratic"?

I'm not here proposing "changing their ways," or anything else. I'm proposing only calling things by their rightful names. Don't call it a democracy, Islamic or any other kind, if women end up being deprived of the full rights of citizenship. It makes me cranky when you do that.

you shouldn't oppose the Iraqis running their own country as they see fit [my bolding]

Who's the "they" to which you refer? According to this link, more than 65% of the Iraqi population is women.

clk.about.com

It's complicated, and the thought-juxtaposition of what's likely to happen there with lines like "Do you believe in democracy, or don't you? Are we going to set up a democracy in Iraq, or not?" is darkly funny in a SNL in Hell sort of way. Is all I'm saying.

Please don't come on and declare that I'm proposing that it's our job to force Islam to change, because I am not doing that.
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