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To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (70314)	5/14/2003 11:48:01 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) of 70976

> I think desert and swamp are more like it Hardly. I think the Jews were smart enough to distinguish between what makes a good purchase and what is buying a worthless piece of land in the middle of nowhere...but this is not the point. > What do you mean by "use and share" and "isolate". It means that when I buy property in NYC, I am buying it for use within the greater extent of using it within the society. Whatever I do with my corner store, in some ways it is also benefiting the society. But if I get together with a whole lot of other people to form my own state or try to annex a significant part of Manhattan, then you can be sure there will be resentment. Perhaps you remember the 80s cries of how condo builders in NYC are destroying neighborhoods. Some of it even got violent. And there you had builders who were willing to share their land with anyone who could afford it. So imagine what the typical reaction must have been like in Palestine. The example of Utah is not a very good one. Utah's share of US is much less than Israel's share of the land. Nor is Utah seeking to establish a new country which was clearly the goal of Zionists. Don't you think that if the world ran on the example of buy the land and kick the people out, then all that was needed to solve the world's problems was a big check book. So all India had to do was to buy out Kashmere and have peace? China could have easily paid the going rate for the barren land of Tibet? The Kurds could raise money and buy out their piece out of Iraq? Sorry Cary, but it does not work that way. When you are buying land, there are expectations as to what you can and cannot do with it. Even here in the US where capitalism rules supreme, there is a rich history of invasion via check book and violent responses to it. And those conflicts were over much smaller issues than a bunch of European foreigners taking over via use of money instead of guns. > Before WWI, Palestine was controlled by Muslim Turks. After, by Christian Brits. The anti Jewish violence began when Jews were a small minority. A very big chunk of the world had been a colony in one form or another before WWII. Many countries gained their independence after WWII. So this lack of independence of Palestine does not negate their rights to have an independent country. The violence started because it became clear that the Jews were not migrating to Palestine but trying to take it over. I am sympathetic to the suffering of the Jews at that time. I fully understand why they were doing what they were doing. But hind sight being 20:20, I think it would have been better for all involved if the basis of formation had been a more immigration oriented mindset rather than isolationist mentality.

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