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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (103125)	6/27/2003 6:20:23 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (2) of 281500

Neither the US nor Israel targets civilians; and on the whole, Israel is rather more careful about "collateral damage". "War is politics by other means." When political negotiations fail, humans go to war. War provides solutions, but only after sufficient blood is spilt. We ain't there yet. Sometimes I think (unlike the old days) our weapons are too good, too accurate. We do not have sufficient collateral damage. War is a means to effect change...but usually only after one side has been beaten into total submission. The current reluctance to negotiate is because both sides still believe they can win in battle. When one side has that believe pounded out of them...they will quit fighting and change can begin. At best, war is horrible for the fighters and those close to the action. Unfortunately the politicians and negotiators do not get to see the blood and smell the death so they let it go on believing they can win. Our civil war is a good example. The outcome of the Battle at Gettysburg was decided in the final skirmish where perhaps 1,500 men died. But 50,000 others had to die over the days before to get to a final deciding event. 50,000 deaths were not enough. We needed that last fight up a rocky hill. Other examples are Germany (twice) and Japan. Killing a few members of a population (even repeatedly) expecting political change is nonsense. It has not and is not going to happen. The real insanity is in the way the Palestinians and Israelis keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. I predict an eventual, decisive and very bloody battle or series of battles that will bring one side to their knees. I fear that America is locked in a similar skirmish with 150 million militant Muslims. The other 1.3 billion Muslims will watch. Their behaviour will be determined by the the final outcome. unclewest

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