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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (103305)6/28/2003 3:36:09 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
Referring to canucks and mexicanos mostly, sort of including dutch and kiwis and irish et cetera, but mostly the first two i had in mind right off ..... and the populations, not the front men ... Chrétien is one thing, Fox Quesada quite another - he bought hook line and sinker the 'juntos podemos' line of Dubya's, supported it fully, yet even he could not turn fifteen per cent of mexicanos toward the project of one nation invading another [this is a hard sell there, very very hard, for obvious historical cause, there is near total isolationist feeling, deep]

Chrétien, for all his myriad faults for which we western canucks love to hate him, got this one right - the neocons did not make the case, they were doing a dumb thing in a dumb manner, and more importantly they were doing damage to international cooperation in the process ..... 'yer with us or yer agin us', c'mon give us a break

Not even canucks Hawk, think about what that means .... sixty per cent you've got in hand, for anything just, they didn't get thirty .... mexicanos, your neocons got not even close to twelve per cent, twenty maybe would be the the best you could do for an overseas adventure like that

Now look at the body of the continent - more US nationals opposed that adventure than there are total canucks and frenchmen combined on the planet .... if you can't listen to somebody from Lisle, try somebody from Littleton, Oregon

You need allies for this stuff, to make it work ... absolutely need them, without them you will not be seen to be acting justly ... you need them to share with you, on a number of levels, the burden ... insert Kipling's piece on burden here, listen to what he's really saying .... you need allies above all to share the responsibility with you, and the only way you can get and retain allies is by selling them on the merits of your projects ..... selling them on, not pushing them into

For this you need a structure in which you do not come across as setting yourself up as gods unto us all ... a structure guided by principles to which we have agreed, a structure to which you submit a degree of power, the better to encourage others to submit a bit of theirs .... you need a parliament, in which we are all represented .... until then, it's gonna be lonely at the top
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