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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (105415)7/16/2003 1:05:12 AM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (3) of 281500
 
U.S. soldiers have been killing people in bunches, in the Middle East, and doing it on the orders of fanatics with a rubbish NeoCon ideology

I can descibe the al Qaeda and Baathist ideology. Perhaps you could describe for me what you call a NeoCon ideology. (Don't bother with the pre emption thing from the Security document of Sept 2002. I wore myself out criticizing it at the time. It's a dumb idea but not ideology). Show me the ideology.

As far as I can tell, the folk the US is killing are Baathist supporters - terrorist dregs of the fallen regime - who need killing.

And they have a leader who talks to God, and gets instructions on where the next batch of killing is needed.

That's really stupid stuff and it's not going to convince me, or anyone else who is not feeble minded, of anything.

And that makes them, what? Did you say terrorists?

Like X, you are walking the moral relativism path. You're better at disguising it (through your demand for perfection from all parties) than he is but that's where you are journeying.

Who is being a moral relativist? Who is promoting tyranny? Who is advocating targetted assassinations, concentration camps, no elections in Iraq (or Afghanistan, or Kuwait, or...), military governments?

Al Qaeda and the Baathists are promoting tyranny. Suppose you explain who in the US admin says there will be no elections in any of those places? Who in the US admin is proposing a military government and for whom? By the way, they just had an election in Kuwait, didn't you notice?

The US is at war with al Qaeda and the Baathists - of course it's going to target their leadership. Call that terrorism if you like but you're getting to the point of nonsensical definition.

I'm quite certain a non-perfectionist would not see what the US is doing in Iraq is anti-democratic and that it intends to see things through to no elections. The US may have postponed them but there is no way the US administration can put them off indefinitely and I doubt very much that it wants to.

In Iraq, today, it is the Shia clerics who are calling for elections,

Yup. Right now, they are the only ones with a 'party'. Iraq already has had one party elections. It doesn't need any more despite the desires of some, not all, not even the majority of clerics.

Tell me again, who is championing democracy?

The US.
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