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Politics : Support the French! Viva Democracy!

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To: Solon who wrote (1908)7/17/2003 1:25:11 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander  Read Replies (1) of 7839
 
To start from realities, the realities are

- not one recent "new nation" (frmr east block,etc) has decided on a two-party system
- the same is actually true for all nations (since the 1800s), without a "connecetion" to UK

- UK itself is working hard on implementing a process of reform to a multy-party system
(which is already done in Wales and Scotland as well as North Ireland)

The same is true for the Israeli party-list system for at least the first two points and starting
from maybe end of 1800s and especially the 1900s.

That is, a multy-party system based on party-lists, that is, the party elite sets up the
lists, specifically the order on the list, and then the voters only vote on the parties, hands
over the power to "party elite".

More in detail, if a party normally gets 40 seats, the candidates are picked off the
list starting from "above", and depending on variations in the number of votes

- #1 to #30 always gets elected
- #31 to maybe #50 might or might not be elected (the watermark)
- #50 etc have absolutly no chance to get elected, even if they are very popular.

Plus some other fundamental things, as

Large population nations usually use a combination, mix of FPTP and party-list PR (Prop Rep),
to ensure small enoguh (local representation) election districts for the FPTP part, ref also
multimember districts. (as well as avoiding some 1-5,000 seats in congress to enure
both local and proportional representation)

But the threshold is somewhere around a population of 20-50 million.

That is, both two-party and party-list systems are basically similar in that they
move the power to the party elite, hide the actual process behind "smoke and mirrors".

That is, the reason most older party-list systems (as well as FPTP) are busy reforming.

Ilmarinen

Btw, i have heard that Israel-example "for ages", just like the "Italy" example, while
Italy is one of the nations most active in reforming their system (which was partly design
to ensure that nobody would be able to get all power)
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