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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

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To: Richard S who wrote (433791)7/25/2003 9:08:50 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) of 769667
 
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck. You're really going to need it.

Oh, yeah, about
1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.
you are aware, aren't you, that Congress authorized the use of force against Iraq? ANd many of your favorite heroes and heroines voted for the authorization? Yes?

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

Good luck proving that.

Oh, yeah, PROOF, that word you seem to have no understanding of. The US Senate (which also voted for the war authorization) will demand PROOF of impeachment charges. Not just BS. Did you know that?

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.
Every war President we have ever had could be impeached on that one.

4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its
government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

Removing the sovereignty and independence of Iraq is NOT an impeachable offense.

4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

For starters, POWs and illegal combatants do not have the rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

5) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign
governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media
and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

Presidents engaging in what you call "propaganda" is an old and honored perk of the office. As TR said, it's a bully pulpit.

6) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a
part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an
attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and
threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United
Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting
treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy
any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the
exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

Violating the Charter of the UN is not an impeachable offense. Else why were JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton not impeached?

7) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering
indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without
opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the
discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

A US citizen aiding and abetting an enemy of the US in time of war is treason. This is not a problem.

8) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without
charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

This can be done legally, and has been done with no problems by Presidents before Bush. Where were you then?

9) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of
detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a
detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

That might stand. What are the facts?

10) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens
who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official,
prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

That great liberal hero, FDR, authorized secret military tribunals, which ordered executions which were carried out, during WW2 and was not impeached.

11) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have
been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in
response to Congressional inquiry.

Presidents are not required to respond to every Congressional inquiry.

12) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right
to public trials.

Details?

13) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the
government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not
been charged with a crime.

Details?

14) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to
hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary
designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

Gimme a break. Every President for at least the last 20 years has had that power. You never heard of confiscation of drug dealers property before trial?

15) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by
federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and
political activity.

Depends on the circumstances. Profiling is illegal only in certain circumstances.

16) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional
right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

Such as? Again, the executive branch is not required to respond to every request of the legislative branch.

17) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of
the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without
consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the
United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome
which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

The US does not recognize the ICC. Did you know that? Meaningless. This is like impeaching FDR for violating the Tripartite Pact for attacking Japan, Italy, and Germany.
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