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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank
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To: The Philosopher who wrote (74260)9/10/2003 12:02:31 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) of 82486
 
Which basic position do you take -- that the man has to be sure of fully informed consent before proceeding? Or that the woman has the responsibility of stating the absence of consent if that is her choice, and that the man is obligated to accept that decision unless and until by suasion he can change nonconsent into fully informed consent?

The point I was trying to make is that both are stupid. A woman has no business crying rape if she didn't clearly say "no." A man has no business pressing a woman who is less-than-fully willing, enthusiastic, even. Period. As a result, the woman has no cause to press rape charges (I said so earlier.) nor does the man have cause to whine if rape charges are pressed. Would I convict him? Of course not.

You seem to want to make this a question of which sex has to concede more than the other. I don't think of it that way. Speaking as someone who has been single most of her adult life, I say that both need to be cautious in their liaisons. Both can get into a lot of trouble.

Having said that, I think the final onus needs to be on the man in questions of rape for two reasons. One is that men are bigger and stronger. The other is that women have historically been victimized twice by rape. I would tell my sons that, if I had any.
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