SEpt 10,2001 ( cont )
11:59] bond1 >> for what
[11:59] doorman >> Tony - what was the Hampton Porter connection with DUCT? HP is out of business - right?
[12:00] anthony >> buttheads behind HP are back in buz at difft place
[12:00] anthony >> trader u read this ??
[12:00] anthony >> oeci
[12:01] anthony >> lcbm
[12:03] +Trader14u >> yea, but for now, they got themselves a bunch of scared shorts..
[12:03] devo >> time for an insidetruth.com report on LCBM
[12:03] anthony >> i love scared shorts
[12:03] anthony >> and i hoppe sharkin is clueless and squeezed out
[12:04] anthony >> his 7 paying members and the zerodots on SI
[12:04] chris431 >> could you invite those shorts over to MEDC?
[12:04] anthony >> no shit chrisa
[12:05] searchgp >> anthony....you said chrisa
[12:05] kenny >> just walked in what u guys do to LCBM ?
[12:06] anthony >> let me tell ya sumthin folks
[12:06] anthony >> let me tell ya sumthin folks[12:06] anthony >> let me tell ya sumthin folks[12:06] anthony >> let me tell ya sumthin folks[12:06] anthony >> let me tell ya sumthin folks[12:06] anthony >> I know a thiung or two about biotech stuff
[12:06] +pluvia >> 6 go ahead, I'm just sitt'n in my rocker listn nun
[12:06] anthony >> and i know a few things abouit medecine and doctors and hospitals and the like'
[12:07] +pluvia >> 6 uh huh... I hear ya
[12:07] anthony >> and i can assure you
[12:07] searchgp >> are you still a test patient anthony...for new drugs
[12:07] bond1 >> 3 from the band aide expert
[12:07] anthony >> that the slighetst increase in infection in tissue in this region of the body is intolerable
[12:07] Vincenth2 >> Tony speaking like an ex-med student :-)
[12:07] searchgp >> dr. anthony to you
[12:07] anthony >> mainly dude to the patients obsessive state of mind whne it comes to the abilkity to reproduce
[12:07] bond1 >> k3 is that like vd lol
[12:08] searchgp >> its gigavitus
[12:08] anthony >> ...if you are having kids or want kids you will be afraid of anything hat might jeopardize that
[12:08] +ACS_101 >> How about better mileage? Or less frequent oil changes?
[12:08] Jetter >> if I had any cahones I would go long skil.... just cant do it
[12:09] +ACS_101 >> Jet, just say no.
[12:09] ogm >> PMCS, BRCM, AMCC are still in the red despite Naz being green
[12:09] ogm >> Looks like they are undferperforming
[12:09] anthony >> and i have a feeling that very few doctors can in good conscience choose this gel over current aintibacterial and procedures
[12:09] anthony >> i also believe that this compnay belongs at zero
[12:09] searchgp >> i thought the gel was for something else
[12:10] anthony >> the gel is for use in gynelogical procedures mainly to limit scar tissue in this very sensitive region where scar tissue acn be the difference between having kids and never having them
[12:10] anthony >> it i smy opinion that the mkt is small
[12:11] anthony >> equal to the mkt of people who have webbed feet
[12:11] searchgp >> i have a duck bill
[12:11] Salogan >> so its some schmuck trying to make $$ off the fears of these patients, but in fact doin em dirt
[12:11] anthony >> the panel saw no great results
[12:11] searchgp >> 4.1
[12:11] anthony >> the dispute guy loved being new head honcho of this poanel and since this is the first time the dispute panel was ever used
[12:12] shothemoney >> quack...is he talkin bout u....
[12:12] Salogan >> apparently nothing of significance, only the possibility of harm, no?
[12:12] searchgp >> new daily high on nxtl
[12:12] Salogan >> first thing, do no harm
[12:12] anthony >> he was probably more interested of getting his 3 minutes of fame
[12:12] anthony >> this is the firs time the dispute panel was ever used I believe
[12:13] anthony >> so to me i see it as an ego thing
[12:13] searchgp >> can i dispute the dispute panel?
[12:13] anthony >> and he picked a gel that does nothing to make a name for himslef
[12:13] anthony >> no harm no fopul
[12:13] anthony >> like approving distilled water
[12:13] +SEAN007 >> It no blood no foul
[12:13] +SEAN007 >> its
[12:13] anthony >> that is my totally unbiasd opinion
[12:14] anthony >> and Im gonna live with it
[12:14] Salogan >> thats your story and youre stickin to it
[12:14] anthony >> so..please do your own dd and if you see anything that u disagree with.id love toi discuss it further
[12:14] kenny >> can the gel be applied with a turkey baster?
[12:14] anthony >> kenny read the panels originbal decsion
[12:15] kenny >> i saw nothing bout turkey baster use
[12:15] anthony >> zix i goin to dead land
[12:15] anthony >> gotta alwasy have some zixi in a balanced portfolio of shorts
[12:15] anthony >> ciai..wher is teh big damn news
[12:16] petewitt >> zixi has a show in Oct
[12:16] anthony >> and i bet the stock will be 3 by then
[12:16] affable >> AP What are these adhesions and what is the problem with them? What problem are they trying to fix
[12:16] Kris >> TERN looks heavy
[12:16] anthony >> scar tissues
[12:16] affable >> Internally?
[12:16] anthony >> yes
[12:16] anthony >> ovaries and fallopian tubes adhession
[12:17] anthony >> very sensitive stuff
[12:17] Salogan >> tony whats in the lcbm gel? secret ingredients?
[12:17] anthony >> the egg has to cross like this big giant danegr zone to teh tubes
[12:17] affable >> Scar tissue would impede egg path?
[12:17] searchgp >> two wall beef patties special sause lettuce cheese pickles onions on a seasame seed bun
[12:18] anthony >> sal i have done an anlalysis of the gel and i have found teh main ingredient in it is , NACl
[12:18] +Crav >> imagine you have a play dough.. and you make a long roll
[12:18] +Crav >> now take both ends and spin it when you try to pull it apart
[12:18] +Crav >> you have adhesions
[12:18] Salogan >> saline gel
[12:18] anthony >> i currently am conducting a test of the gel on two of the workers here at the house
[12:18] +Crav >> spin it ;
[12:19] petewitt >> geez how big are those eggs
[12:19] Salogan >> lol
[12:19] anthony >> i am installing ovaries..i will then use kenny as the control group
[12:19] searchgp >> for every room?
[12:19] anthony >> actuallky the gell is useless
[12:19] anthony >> i have no idea whats in it
[12:19] kenny >> AP dont make me use the turksy baster on u again
[12:19] Quack >> The cost to lyse postop adhesions is approx 1-2 billion per annum in the US.
[12:19] backman >> any news on UBET?
[12:19] petewitt >> Kenny has eggs?
[12:20] Salogan >> a little saline in the fish bowl can reduce fungus
[12:20] Salogan >> fish fungus
[12:20] searchgp >> PETE....even worse...kenny has a nextel phone
[12:20] anthony >> quack .....excuse me but if you prevent that expense multiply it by 5% to see what revenue that would possibly mean to anyone
[12:20] Quack >> Adhesions contribute to approx. 20% of female infertility cases.
[12:21] ned_flanders >> LCBM is not the only company that makes the stuff. the FDA approval is PMA.
[12:22] Quack >> Adhesions also contribute to chronic pelvic pain in 40+% of cases.
[12:23] DMG >> dssc.com futures gaining
[12:23] anthony >> bondo..two ticks from our man
[12:23] anthony >> mdan
[12:23] anthony >> cfes
[12:24] bond1 >> 3 huh?
[12:24] anthony >> callme
[12:24] anthony >> mcep
[12:24] bond1 >> 3 home?
[12:24] anthony >> yes
[12:24] bond1 >> one sec
[12:24] anthony >> quack..this gel never at any time ever showed to prevent scarring
[12:25] anthony >> so the mkt for the post operative adhesion s very much intact
[12:25] anthony >> it was no more effective then the control group using nothing
[12:26] anthony >> if there was a 20% reduction or even a 10 % reduction.id be all for it
[12:26] anthony >> hell a 50% reduction and id be long'
[12:27] Salogan >> theres a market for a product that can do what lcbm gel is supposed to do, but their gel is useless, and could increase infection
[12:28] Salogan >> in other words
[12:28] Salogan >> sorry for thinking in chat
[12:28] doorman >> IMNR cracking thru support
[12:29] +rhansen >> lol sal
[12:29] Kris >> TERN losing steam
[12:31] Salogan >> tony I appreciate your thoughts, very much, Im coming to believe that stocks often run up on stupidity and hope, I guess now is a time for that
[12:31] Salogan >> blind stupid hope
[12:32] Salogan >> but I should keep my keyboard quiet bec everyone knows that
[12:33] +rhansen >> goto #thinking room
[12:33] +rhansen >> :)
[12:33] Salogan >> its just that this is the only place where I can have an intelligent exchange anymore
[12:33] peter >> here?
[12:33] Salogan >> yes
[12:33] peter >> ;-)
[12:33] lakewood >> peter- she didn't know you logged on when she said that
[12:34] Salogan >> I live with two adults who, it would seem, pride themselves with being dumb as a bag of hammers, and a smart 7 year old
[12:34] Salogan >> but he's still just a 7 year old
[12:34] peter >> maybe they should join the site
[12:35] anthony >> sal i enjoy this digging stuff very much
[12:35] Salogan >> too busy working at their stoopid jobs
[12:35] anthony >> and enjoy the discussion more then the trading at tiumes
[12:35] Salogan >> tony I would luv to do it, but dont exactly know how
[12:35] anthony >> quack...have you seen the results?
[12:35] anthony >> do u want a link
[12:35] anthony >> i have it
[12:35] Salogan >> I liked being a sleuth better than being a lawyer
[12:36] peter >> two toed?
[12:36] peter >> or three?
[12:36] Salogan >> naz could go red but nobody would know it
[12:36] Salogan >> two
[12:36] backman >> peter:-)
[12:36] anthony >> All these conditions lead to a vastly overpowered study that could result in finding statistically significant differences between groups that may not be clinically meaningful. So, if it were appropriate to c
[12:36] Salogan >> fascinating beast
[12:37] anthony >> In summary, using the ITT design and analysis presented by the sponsor in their study protocol, there is no statistical difference between the Lactated Ringers and control groups with respect to mAFS score or
[12:37] anthony >> here are some of the best quotes
[12:37] peter >> lactated ringers? is that like a sleuth?
[12:37] peter >> coffee kicking in
[12:38] petewitt >> RH put mamas dictionary.com on links :)
[12:38] +Trader14u >> peter, if ya ever watched m.a.s.h. ya know what lactated ringers are
[12:38] +Trader14u >> what a dumbass
[12:38] anthony >> The January 2000 General and Plastic Surgery Advisory Panel determined that there was not reasonable assurance that the product was safe and effective. In their subsequent PMA Amendment, the sponsor did not
[12:38] peter >> i keep thinking of the lion in Wizard of Oz
[12:39] +Trader14u >> bad acid
[12:39] peter >> no, good
[12:39] +Trader14u >> nope
[12:39] anthony >> does anyone want to see the actual data
[12:39] +Trader14u >> bad
[12:39] backman >> bad acid=oxymoron
[12:39] +Trader14u >> ya gotta heat it just right. what kind of spoon you using?
[12:39] anthony >> quack dude ar u there
[12:39] petewitt >> yep
[12:39] steveh >> I want to see the data
[12:40] steveh >> please.
[12:40] anthony >> fda.gov
[12:40] anthony >> much of the data is difficult to understand unless you know what you are reading
[12:41] anthony >> so I would greatly apprecaiet a True MD's opinion as to my conclusions
[12:41] anthony >> my mom aint home
[12:42] peter >> on LCBM, what's with the $18 million vs. the $500 million
[12:42] anthony >> To all Site MD's, please review the following and tellme via email if My conclusions that LCBM is junk is a good one and if not why..
[12:42] Quack >> Evaluation of resorbable barriers for preventing surgical adhesions.Evaluation of resorbable barriers for preventing surgical adhesions.
[12:43] Quack >> Authors:
[12:43] Salogan >> are these adhesions on muscle tissue?
[12:43] anthony >> quack ?? try it without the run on sentences..use one word bursts to explain
[12:43] Quack >> Hang on
[12:44] anthony >> SHAR is goin to sub buck staus
[12:44] anthony >> i feel it
[12:44] Salogan >> I just figured out Im being poisoned by noxious dog farts
[12:45] Mage >> salogan, LOL
[12:45] Salogan >> getting into the cat litter again
[12:45] petewitt >> powerful stuff Sal
[12:45] Salogan >> dogs, that is, not me
[12:45] steveh >> thanks Tony, I'm not an MD but work in the medical device industry. I have some experience with clinical studies and actually understand what I have skimmed so far. I'll try to review it tonight and get back
[12:46] anthony >> thankx steve
[12:46] anthony >> much appreciated
[12:46] anthony >> anyone still uncomfy with LCBM?
[12:46] steveh >> If I get a chance, I'll run it by a few of the clinical statisticians I work with.
[12:46] +Trader14u >> well, i am not a doctor, but i play one on tv, and i think it's a pos
[12:46] anthony >> i have done my job
[12:46] +Trader14u >> but, it's short position is HEAVY
[12:46] thefish >> Trader, stay at a Holiday Inn last night?
[12:47] anthony >> i stayed at a Holiday express yesterday so i be,ieve my analysis is oin]
[12:47] bigelow >> I'm not a doctor, but I doid stay a holiday inn express last nite........
[12:47] anthony >> trdar the short was big cause they got turned down so the reversal was huge win
[12:47] bigelow >> damn, guess I was seconds too late.
[12:48] Kris >> added TERN 6.83
[12:48] steveh >> I would like to add, there is a strong possibility that the FDA dispute approval will stand. I'm not saying how it would affect the stock price though.
[12:48] steveh >> Here's my theory,
[12:49] steveh >> The FDA recently started this dispute process. The FDA panel did not approve Intergel. The dispute panel review did approve it inspite of some shakey statistical analysis post completion og the study.
[12:50] steveh >> I agree with Tony there are probably alot of big egos involved now, but politically it may not look good to go against the dispute process approval.
[12:51] anthony >> steve thats a very god point
[12:51] steveh >> they may just approve the poroduct becuase they have an out.
[12:51] anthony >> agreed
[12:51] steveh >> i.e. the new approval
[12:51] anthony >> SLPH atty that is suing me
[12:51] anthony >> is now suing SLPH
[12:52] Salogan >> non payment
[12:52] Salogan >> ?
[12:52] anthony >> i am gonna laugh my ass off at this whole idiotic affai4r
[12:52] steveh >> but I did some quick research and there are actually quite a few anti-adhesion products out there already. Some are gels and some are membranes of rayon or other stuff
[12:52] +Trader14u >> anyone use trevor up north??
[12:52] anthony >> trader call me
[12:53] +Trader14u >> no, u me
[12:53] steveh >> It will be interesting. I'll keep you all posted on what I find.
[12:53] Salogan >> but steveh and tony, whats the point of/value of fda approval if they approve stuff just bec its not proven harmful?
[12:53] +Trader14u >> el cheapo
[12:53] Salogan >> you class be confus
[12:53] bond1 >> 3 trevor...my friend
[12:53] petewitt >> no way AP too friggin funny
[12:54] anthony >> trader u callme
[12:54] anthony >> and make it snappy
[12:54] Kris >> mkts gettn heavy
[12:54] anthony >> 858-756-9525
[12:54] anthony >> steve thats the best argument for approval so far
[12:54] petewitt >> mfnx
[12:55] anthony >> it wouldnt be politically correct to deny it
[12:55] anthony >> and show that the fda dispute process worksd
[12:55] anthony >> and a s result they can resume denying stuff in the future
[12:55] anthony >> very good dude
[12:55] bigelow >> oh great FDA approvals are based on political issues, I feel so much safer now!
[12:56] anthony >> bigs welcomen to reality
[12:56] Salogan >> and lcbm cant sell its product anyway cause nobody wants it because it doesnt work?
[12:56] anthony >> this gewl wil be available with 200 other gels
[12:57] petewitt >> axle grease?
[12:57] lakewood >> is it like the balm Kramer used?
[12:57] +rhansen >> not for you bigelow, you are canadian:)
[12:57] steveh >> Sorry to say it but I think it's a possibility. especially if there is no incremental risk.
[12:57] max >> Dr. Welby: "Which gel should I use? the one that was approved in a dispute panel with data that was statistifcally insignificant?"
[12:57] petewitt >> 90 weigt gear lube
[12:57] max >> or Vaseline?
[12:57] anthony >> right an approval on distilled water
[12:57] +rhansen >> naz red
[12:57] anthony >> screw the naz
[12:58] max >> QCOM green
[12:58] lakewood >> we have been
[12:58] Salogan >> rh I didnt think anyone would notice
[12:58] anthony >> OECI
[12:58] steveh >> Generally, the FDA is interested in safety AND efficacy. I want to do some research to see how viable the alternative products are. If they are significantly efficacious, than the FDA may not approve the pro
[12:58] anthony >> if xmsr goes up 20 cents for every day before the launch it might hit 11
[12:59] anthony >> if xmsr goes up 20 cents for every day before the launch it might hit 10
[12:59] Salogan >> hope so tony
[12:59] Kris >> FU VRSN
[12:59] steveh >> One other consideration on LCBM
[12:59] steveh >> The FDa could approve it with contingencies.
[13:00] anthony >> thats another win for both sides
[13:00] Salogan >> like?
[13:00] steveh >> That is say it is approved for market release in the US but further FDA approved clinical study is required to demonstrate safety and effectiveness.
[13:00] anthony >> more likely in my opinion
[13:00] Kris >> NVDA will be sub 40 next week :)
[13:00] anthony >> butr the fish wil only read ity was approved
[13:00] anthony >> after the split kris?
[13:00] Kris >> :)
[13:00] anthony >> dolt
[13:00] steveh >> Then LCBM could start another study with more patients and do a better job of picking their clinical objectives so they pass them
[13:01] Salogan >> who is going to pay for that
[13:01] anthony >> i think lcbm will be lower before next approval is due
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