Chat Log - September 11, 2001
[11:19] anthony >> Do we have all of our pilots here accounted for?? [11:19] anthony >> Do we have all of our pilots here accounted for?? [11:19] anthony >> Do we have all of our pilots here accounted for?? [11:19] anthony >> Do we have all of our pilots here accounted for?? [11:19] anthony >> Do we have all of our pilots here accounted for?? [11:19] Parnell >> from the lower end of the burned part [11:19] Jetter >> american lost 2 planes and now united has lost two also [11:20] MamaBear >> Dako, it looked like the films of demolition of derelict buildings [11:20] zeez >> I thought the pentagon plane was USAir [11:20] Dako >> exactly, MB [11:20] Jetter >> great... my dads working today I gotta find out where he is [11:20] Dako >> all Delta planes accounted for [11:20] anthony >> all the planes hijacked were american airlkiners ..as a point was being made [11:20] anthony >> just airplanes with US , america, or United states in their name [11:20] Jetups >> copy cat hijackers are probably already planning their own horror [11:21] zeez >> also, seems like they were all domestic take-offs [11:21] anthony >> MSNC reporting bomb in HS [11:21] anthony >> MSNC reporting bomb in HS [11:21] anthony >> MSNC reporting bomb in HS [11:21] zeez >> HS? [11:21] +pluvia >> 6 this is out of control [11:21] JimmyLiberato >> Now we will have to live with repeated bomb scares [11:21] +rhansen >> probably a sick prank [11:22] peter >> so much for the missile defense shield [11:22] +rhansen >> I am amazed that we are still up here, internet wise [11:22] anthony >> Keep your kids HOme ..folks ! & Pray..Pray alot !! [11:22] Dako >> yes, Jimmy [11:22] kenny >> Bob i was thinking that too [11:22] Jetups >> really, rhan, it's very cathartic so I'm glad we have service still. [11:22] anthony >> bob its a blessing [11:23] +ACS_101 >> passenger counts being released now [11:23] +ACS_101 >> 81 passengers plus crew [11:23] Charlie_Meadows>> this is going to bring out the freaks calling in bomb scares [11:23] +ACS_101 >> 58 passengers plus crew [11:23] moekas >> former #3 broker who now works at Vancouver Airport just called on his day off....need as much help as they can get. [11:23] DMG >> oy.. [08:23] taliban news conference soon?? [11:23] DMG >> [08:23] TALIBAN News Conference soon from Pakistan [11:24] ascot >> how many airliners hit WTC? [11:24] Bbones >> 2 [11:24] Jetter >> was there any reports on the type of airplane the united ones were? [11:24] thefish >> Every major building in SF is stepping up security, plus all public schools are closed. The B of A building which is the largest in SF has been shut down. [11:24] anthony >> BN 8:23 *OFFICIALS SAY NO SIGN NOW OF 2ND PLANE HEADING TO D.C [11:24] Dako >> U.S.rmy now on Threat Com Delta!!!!!! [11:24] Dako >> army [11:24] Jetups >> terrific Tony, thanks [11:24] rogden >> hey guys [11:24] nico >> what is that Dako ? [11:24] nico >> maximum ? [11:24] anthony >> rogden thank god u are ok [11:25] Dako >> yesm nico.....maximum [11:25] rogden >> My uncle is on a flight out of baltimore that left at 9:00 am haven't heard form him yet [11:25] anthony >> rog..wow [11:25] nico >> thnx [11:25] Dako >> troops can now be in the streets [11:25] anthony >> what can i say....nothing can describe whats happening [11:25] +SEAN007 >> wow [11:25] rogden >> My aunt works across from the capitol building - haven't heard from her yet either [11:25] Charlie_Meadows>> i posted it an hour ago, marshall law [11:26] anthony >> i havent heard from my brother [11:26] DMG >> [08:25] apparantly there is dancing in the streets in Palestine , from the BBC in the UK [11:26] thefish >> I pray you do soon Tony [11:26] rogden >> We are all praying [11:26] anthony >> I never thought id ever say this [11:26] Charlie_Meadows>> my grandparents left europe because of hitler, my parents left cuba because of castro, i'll be leaving the states because of bush [11:26] thefish >> many building closed here in Seattle including the space needle [11:26] anthony >> But Fuck The palestinians [11:26] JP_Trapper >> he should be ok Tony [11:26] ned_flanders >> DMG you gotta be joking! [11:27] sygr >> my sister's best friend's brother called her from the 104th floor of 1 of the world trade center building to say goodbye to her and that her loved them all. He was dying from smoke inhalation [11:27] Jetups >> rogden, I'm in Virginia, plenty of phones are out, or overloaded [11:27] rogden >> they say 50k people work at the Towers [11:27] moekas >> flight to San Fran just crashed??? [11:27] anthony >> sygr Oh mi god [11:27] Kris >> FUCK my friend just called me....HE IS TRAPPED in Chase Manhatten bank on the 4th floor on Nasa and Broadway....2 blocks from world trade center....smoke everywhere ......people collapsing from smoke [11:27] Jetter >> my god moe... [11:27] +pluvia >> 6 that's terrible syrg [11:27] ned_flanders >> sygr! [11:27] anthony >> dude i cant take this [11:27] rogden >> Jetups, yes all most cell service is down in NY [11:27] sygr >> he was only 35 years old. [11:27] anthony >> 57 BN 8:27 *AMERICAN AIRLINES SAYS FLIGHT 77 ENROUTE TO L.A. FROM D.C. [11:28] anthony >> sygr sorry to hear [11:28] sygr >> thank you [11:28] cartage >> Kris, why so much smoke in Chase Manhatten? [11:28] Charlie_Meadows>> sygr, man.... [11:28] kenny >> Im soryy for thinking this, but we need to destroy any group who feels they need to murder in this way [11:28] sygr >> her other brother would have been there also, but he was taking his son to his 1st day of school [11:28] nd >> DMG, I am listening BBC there is no such new [11:28] backman >> where was the high school bomb? [11:28] backman >> where was the high school bomb? [11:28] backman >> where was the high school bomb? [11:28] lakewood >> new york [11:29] Kris >> cartage....smoke everywhre in NY [11:29] anthony >> HS bomb alledgedly in NY [11:29] Jetups >> sygr, god bless that family [11:29] mweka >> bomb wasin HS near 59th st bridge [11:29] mweka >> supposedly [11:29] +rhansen >> sygr that is so sad [11:29] DMG >> nd, good... Where can you hear BBC? [11:29] nd >> you can watch it too [11:29] kenny >> Sygr got my prayers [11:29] mweka >> Kris - tell him to breathe theru a wet towel [11:29] anthony >> on sat TV [11:29] moekas >> i got bbc tv here [11:29] mweka >> stay low [11:29] sygr >> thank you all [11:30] nd >> I have it on the net, hang on [11:30] Kris >> Chase bank being evacuated now....total caos [11:30] mweka >> sygr - my prayers are with your friends [11:30] Kris >> mw...he had to go [11:30] sygr >> thanks [11:30] kenny >> how did Chase get damaged? [11:30] Kris >> nd where ru looking on net? [11:30] Kris >> kenny smoke [11:30] anthony >> this makes the OK bombing look like a firecracker [11:30] Kris >> people collapsing [11:30] traderjml >> somebiody telling me bomb in Madison hs in Brooklyn, uncomfirmed [11:30] nd >> windowsmedia.com [11:31] Jetter >> we need busch to step up before this shit gets completely out of hand [11:31] Eric81 >> CAMP DAIVID PLANE WAS FORCED DOWN ENROUTE TO PENTAGON [11:31] ogm >> I think High School bomb was probably called in by one of the students [11:31] Kris >> I think alot of false alarms are gonna appear now [11:31] WhoLovesYa >> There are fires away from the WTC in downtown [11:31] anthony >> force down= shot correct?? [11:31] anthony >> kris yes [11:31] WhoLovesYa >> I see no smoke in brooklyn [11:31] anthony >> for a few days [11:31] Eric81 >> MY GUESS [11:31] rogden >> Is it true this is the anniversary of the Camp David Accord ? [11:31] anthony >> I bet the mkts are closed for a week or two [11:31] traderjml >> me neither [11:31] +Crav >> Sept. 17, 1978), [11:32] Parnell >> I don't think markets trade this week [11:32] JimmyLiberato >> Definitely closed this week [11:32] +Crav >> camp david accord [11:32] kenny >> have the markets ever been closed for more than a day? [11:32] rogden >> oh thanks crav [11:32] +Crav >> desotoisd.org [11:32] +Crav >> Sept. 17, 1978), two agreements between Israel and Egypt that led in the following year to a negotiated peace between those two nations, the first between Israel and any of its Arab neighbours. The Camp David Ac [11:32] anthony >> yes kenny [11:32] +rhansen >> i think a week in ww I [11:32] +rhansen >> at the beginning [11:33] JimmyLiberato >> Too much of the infra structure is damaged [11:33] NICK >> Newark airport evacuated [11:33] +rhansen >> but after that they made the rule to always be open [11:33] Jetter >> air transport industry will never be the same in this country [11:33] +rhansen >> need armed guards on planes now [11:34] Charlie_Meadows>> the mossad will take out bin laden [11:34] JimmyLiberato >> Strip searches of all passengers [11:34] Jetter >> problem is jimmy that without flight crews being armed, passengers can just overtake the crew without weapons... probably what happened today [11:35] moekas >> nick, damn...i was there 23 hours ago [11:35] +rhansen >> yes, arm the flight crews [11:35] petewitt >> true Jet [11:35] shothemoney >> wow..cantor fitzgerald on 103&104 floors... [11:36] Jetups >> Jetter, it does seem easy to overtake a plane. I always wondered why there haven't been more suicide incidents. [11:36] JimmyLiberato >> plastic knives [11:36] JimmyLiberato >> ceramic guns [11:36] rogden >> They are locking all the doors at Town Government here in Babylon [11:36] Jetter >> shit, they give the pax's knives on every flight [11:36] Jetter >> to eat with [11:36] petewitt >> plastic knives? [11:37] mweka >> 5 my wife is OK.... she is coming home.... thank you all [11:37] JimmyLiberato >> Pass through xray [11:37] Jetter >> I pray this shit is now over [11:37] shothemoney >> good for u...mweka... [11:38] nd >> great news mweka [11:38] JP_Trapper >> great news mweka [11:38] backman >> an airport security check missed a CO2 cartridge in my life jacket some months ago...if someone else hadnt noticed it, the cartridge would have gotten onto the plane....could easily be integrated into a weapon [11:38] rogden >> They had to kill the pilots first don't you think ? [11:38] anthony >> Hi everyone. this is Mary. tony is headed to the office now to go live [11:38] +SEAN007 >> Hi Mary! [11:38] JP_Trapper >> Russians holding a crisis meeting [11:38] thefish >> HI mary [11:38] Jetups >> thanks , good morning Mary [11:38] affable >> Hi Mary!! [11:38] cartage >> thanks Mary [11:38] +pluvia >> 6 CM I agree.. mossad is a no nonsense organisation [11:38] nd >> JP, every country out there is doing that [11:38] anthony >> Not good!!! [11:38] NICK >> hi mary [11:38] peter >> no [11:39] anthony >> Hi Nick [11:39] +pluvia >> 6 hi mary [11:39] petewitt >> Hi Mary [11:39] Eric81 >> hijacked plane with explosicves on ground in Clevland [11:39] +pluvia >> 6 where did you see that reported eric? [11:39] moekas >> all government offices closed in Toronto now [11:39] rogden >> not many terrorist groups could have pulled this off [11:39] anthony >> Hi Sean, Hi Everyone [11:39] +SEAN007 >> All of Chicago is shut down [11:39] zeez >> hi Mary. [11:39] Eric81 >> UPI [11:39] JP_Trapper >> hi Mary [11:39] mweka >> they had no choice but to kill the pilots..... no american would have flown in.... [11:40] mweka >> o the towers..... [11:40] Parnell >> they had to have people that could fly [11:40] kenny >> hello mary [11:40] DMG >> [08:39] CLEVELAND, Sept. 11 (UPI) -- Cleveland Mayor Michael White said Tuesday a hijacked plane with 200 people aboard and loaded with explosives is on the ground at Cleveland Hopkins Airport. No other det [11:40] Parnell >> or at least steer these planes [11:40] Jetups >> I fear an irrational backlash against Mid Eastern residents in the US., people need to stay at home. [11:40] anthony >> thousands of casualties at WTC [11:40] +ACS_101 >> Hi Mary [11:40] kenny >> jets thats what happened in the mid seventys [11:40] Parnell >> Jet, once the plane is in the air how hard to steer it [11:41] mweka >> exactly parnell [11:41] Jetter >> not that hard parnell, a private pilot could do it [11:41] cartage >> those terrorists in Cleveland will help provide a clue [11:41] Jetter >> a few hours of training is all it would take [11:41] Jetter >> that and a gps... [11:41] MamaBear >> how do we know the pilots weren't involved? [11:41] backman >> 911 received cell phone call that plane had been hijacked [11:42] MamaBear >> aren''t they just assuming the planes were hijacked? [11:42] +SEAN007 >> what time is it on the west coast? [11:42] moekas >> 8:42 [11:42] DMG >> 8:42 [11:42] cartage >> Isana on NBC....was by WTC when #1 fell [11:42] Jetter >> all on the same day at the same time mama? dont think so [11:42] +SEAN007 >> All casinos are closing in Vegas [11:42] moekas >> u serious? [11:42] +SEAN007 >> on the phone with someone there [11:42] MamaBear >> it is what percentage of planes in the air? [11:42] MamaBear >> now we know it's serious, if the casinos close [11:43] DMG >> ND thanks... have BBC now... [11:43] Bbones >> My son is at the MGM Grand now [11:43] +SEAN007 >> Because of nellis air force base near Vegas [11:43] nd >> sure DMG [11:43] Jetter >> damn, that 767 going into the trade center is amazing [11:43] ogm >> There are almost 4000 airplanes in the air above continental US at any given moment [11:43] cartage >> Brokaw saying, in affect we are at War [11:43] MamaBear >> I can't believe I saw the second tower go down live [11:44] Jetups >> I wonder how many are left in the air now [11:44] MamaBear >> Timothy McVeigh is a piker by comparison [11:44] DMG >> [08:44] celebrations on the west bank [11:44] moekas >> MGM Grand still fully operational... [11:44] moekas >> no evacuation there [11:45] MamaBear >> French market is getting killed [11:45] Jetter >> I have sic feeling I am out of a job [11:45] MamaBear >> Swiss market too? [11:45] peter >> i have no TV here, when you guys say the tower fell, how many floors of it? [11:45] moekas >> ebrahim is in vegas [11:45] MamaBear >> peter, all of it [11:45] nd >> peter, leveled [11:45] cartage >> why Jetter? [11:45] MamaBear >> they imploded [11:45] DMG >> peter all [11:45] zeez >> Jetter, why? [11:45] peter >> omigod [11:45] JP_Trapper >> American airlines lost 800 passengers [11:45] ogm >> peter, both towers fell. All floors pretty much [11:45] peter >> wow [11:45] DMG >> Peter, pentagon also partial collapse [11:45] +pluvia >> 6 peter it looked like a demolition, the building literally collapsed on itself [11:45] Jetter >> amr and ual will be devistated... anyone remember pan am after lockerby? [11:46] +aloha >> I may be stranded on this island for awhile now -- so much for our travel plans... [11:46] petewitt >> I'm sure they are thrilled DMG they killed many women and children-what a thing to celebrate [11:46] ogm >> Airline stocks are crushed [11:46] mweka >> aloha I would trade you this island for your right now.... [11:46] zeez >> amr and ual have better financials than pan am had [11:46] +rhansen >> peter, it was horrible [11:46] mweka >> Insurance Stocks should get crushed... [11:46] Charlie_Meadows>> i don't have tv either... were there bombs planted in the base of the towers? [11:46] MamaBear >> well, this pretty much assures that I'll never get on another plane [11:46] +rhansen >> i wish we were looking at them when they were only on fire:( [11:46] ogm >> DMG, I think its too early to blame it on anyone [11:46] mweka >> DAX down 10% [11:46] Parnell >> no Charlie [11:46] MamaBear >> don't insurance policies decline to pay for acts of war? [11:47] milliondollars >> MWEKA are you home [11:47] harryj >> the building burned out the infrastructure in the middle and feel upon itself----Imagine a candle with the middle melting [11:47] mweka >> FTSE down 6% [11:47] mweka >> yes [11:47] +pluvia >> 6 charlie, it looked like the weight of the floors collapsing just accelerated [11:47] Parnell >> the collapse came from top down [11:47] JP_Trapper >> yes MB [11:47] mweka >> yes million [11:47] DMG >> OGM, I'm just posting stuff from other chats... people watching news feeds [11:47] Parnell >> clearly [11:47] nd >> Pakistan and Afghanistan both condemned the attack [11:47] mweka >> Swiss mkt down 6% [11:47] Dako >> cm, it looked like an implosion [11:47] thefish >> US BLASTS: Palestinians hail Bin Laden, celebrate in Nablus, West Bank, Sept. 11 (AFP) - Some 2,000 Palestinians celebrated here Tuesday, chanting slogans in honor of suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden followin [11:47] mweka >> I hate to say this in this room, but this will be one of the great buying opportunities [11:48] mweka >> Bin Laden.... deadman [11:48] investor >> mweka u r right sad but true [11:48] MamaBear >> SPX is going to lose support for sure [11:48] chris431 >> mweka...yep....and for some reason i doubt it will be a "strategic" assassination... [11:48] ogm >> mweka, maybe not.US dollar is getting hit hard. If Dollar doesn't rebound then stocks won't rebound [11:48] Charlie_Meadows>> the only reason the mossad won't kill him is for hte us to save face [11:48] +aloha >> capitulation here we come, mama [11:48] Charlie_Meadows>> he is ready to die a martyr [11:49] ogm >> Buying opportunity or not, but nothing has changed in the economy [11:49] Dako >> glad he will get his way, cm [11:49] DMG >> [08:49] UK'S FTSE 100 INDEX CLOSES DOWN 288 POINTS, 5.7 PCT, [11:49] Kris >> another 747 down bt NYC and chicago [11:49] Dako >> US Fed open and operating [11:49] zeez >> you not only have to take bin Laden out, but also his school [11:49] MamaBear >> I think they go to heaven, and get rewarded with a room full of virgins for doing this stuff [11:49] Dako >> that is the smart thing to do re the Fed [11:49] +rhansen >> kris, is that new? [11:50] Kris >> i belive so rh [11:50] Kris >> jsut read it in mirc [11:50] +SEAN007 >> turn on CBS reporter covered with ashes [11:50] JimmyLiberato >> What a stupid question: "Was it a non-stop fligh to LA?" [11:51] Charlie_Meadows>> moss and i were supposed to be arriving at jfk today from europe but we had to move our dates back.... karma [11:51] +pluvia >> 6 that's true mama [11:51] +rhansen >> wow cm [11:51] +pluvia >> 6 that is what they tell these guys [11:51] rogden >> that is great Charlie [11:51] nico >> koool CM [11:51] MamaBear >> well, somehow I'm skeptical if it's true, but that's what they believe [11:51] +aloha >> you're in Europe now, CM? [11:51] +rhansen >> we were originally planning on arriving in orlando from SF this morning at 7:00am [11:52] peter >> they believe they are at war with us [11:52] +rhansen >> now they will be [11:52] milliondollars >> Bin Laden has 10,000s of brainwash killers that will do anything in the name of GOD. [11:52] Charlie_Meadows>> no, still in la but moved the trip back a few weeks. supposed to go to ny friday [11:52] peter >> they believe we are satanic [11:52] Jetter >> yea don't forget... there has been more people killed in the name of religion in this world than anything else [11:53] ogm >> Religion is a dangerous weapon [11:53] cartage >> agreed ogm [11:53] mweka >> it certainly can be ogm [11:53] AnthonyPacific >> 4 No religion condones this BULLSHIt these are madmen [11:53] nd >> man, BBC is showing the crash again, it's horrible [11:53] AnthonyPacific >> 4 Im at the office [11:53] AnthonyPacific >> 4 mary are you there [11:53] anthony >> yes, here [11:54] AnthonyPacific >> 4 im goin audio [11:54] rogden >> Disney's are closed [11:54] anthony >> ok [11:54] mweka >> biggest intelligence screw up ever...... Clinton to blame [11:54] nd >> what's the addres for audio? [11:54] ssgold >> sound check [11:54] nd >> what's the addres for audio? [11:54] nd >> what's the addres for audio? [11:54] goshortu >> x [11:54] rogden >> Bush is in the hot seat again [11:54] ssgold >> nd click the San Diego link [11:54] ogm >> x [11:54] lakewood >> x [11:54] rogden >> Hope he has some gonads [11:54] PabloE >> n [11:54] PabloE >> x [11:54] thefish >> sound x [11:54] rogden >> x [11:54] moekas >> where is bush? [11:55] Kris >> If Clinton does not do something harsh and fast....he will not be re-elected....prolly not anyway [11:55] moekas >> peop;l; need to see him [11:55] rogden >> bush going from fla to DC this AM [11:55] PabloE >> Bush is on Air force one headed to DC [11:55] cubsfan >> x [11:55] rogden >> yes [11:55] nd >> Link is not working for me, audio address please [11:55] mweka >> me either [11:55] thefish >> good [11:55] +rhansen >> kris, clinton? [11:55] harryj >> Bush has landed--they are not disclosing his location [11:55] +rhansen >> news is slow to canada i guess:) [11:55] +aloha >> I don't think Clinton will be reelected, kris [11:55] chris431 >> the Bush family has a solid family background in launching the military regime... [11:55] Kris >> lol....bush [11:55] nico >> Xetra -475 pts [11:56] nico >> Dow Fut -145 [11:56] ssgold >> nd...clicck the "None" link...then re-click the San Diego link [11:56] Charlie_Meadows>> whose cell phone? [11:56] nico >> CAC40 -350 [11:56] nico >> Nasd Fut -32 [11:56] mweka >> did not work ssgold [11:56] nd >> got it, thnx [11:56] cartage >> in affect, terrorists are holding the US hostage....there will be hell to pay [11:56] petewitt >> ok here [11:56] +ACS_101 >> not getting audio here [11:56] steveh >> ok i'm in [11:56] peter >> audio here [11:56] steveh >> got audio [11:57] Jetter >> something similar to this was planned and thwarted in the early 90's involving several different airlines [11:57] +rhansen >> terrorists will have to be eliminated [11:57] zeez >> mweka: audio.anthonypacific.com [11:57] rogden >> good excuse to wipe out lots of US enemies [11:57] nd >> Tony, cell phones are not working [11:57] WhoLovesYa >> CELL PHONES will not work [11:57] moekas >> nextel phones seem to be down' [11:57] Eric81 >> nico US futures have been clzed 4 some time [11:57] nd >> Tony, cell phones are not working [11:57] nd >> Tony, cell phones are not working [11:57] nd >> Tony, cell phones are not working [11:57] nd >> Tony, cell phones are not working [11:57] rogden >> All cell phone sats have been switched to 'Spy mode' [11:57] thefish >> Tony, maybe he called her from a land line [11:57] cartage >> NBC saying NY Fire Dept claiming bombs were planted in World Trade Center [11:58] lakewood >> could be land line- and cell phone may not work deep inside a building [11:58] ebrahim >> om in vegas cell phones are orking here [11:58] mweka >> my cell is working [11:58] mweka >> I can receive calls [11:58] peter >> you gotta love a guy who calls his mom on the air [11:58] Dako >> cartage.....i still bet that is the case....building implosions so clean [11:58] moekas >> eb....wrong....i've been calling you for 20 min [11:58] moekas >> not going through [11:59] ebrahim >> i can call out [11:59] moekas >> call me [11:59] Dako >> a lot of the other explosions in the WTC area apparently due to gas leaks [11:59] cartage >> NBC has video of Palastinians dancing in streets [11:59] JimmyLiberato >> Will hurt their cause [11:59] +aloha >> that is incredible [11:59] +rhansen >> I guess that will be the first targate cartage [11:59] +aloha >> unbelievable [12:00] Dako >> really really unbelievable [12:00] zeez >> I'm in central Jersey: cell not working [12:00] Charlie_Meadows>> from your guys description, it doesn't sound like the wtc just crumbled but was imploded from inside [12:00] +rhansen >> US and Russia about to clean house [12:00] PeteMason >> No expert here, but it *really* really looked like explosions to me..... [12:00] cartage >> US and Russia about to join forces [12:00] Dako >> US/Mexican border sealed..........somehow i dont think that's where these guys came from [12:01] ogm >> Russia is anxious to get rid of their own terrorists in Chchnya [12:01] Charlie_Meadows>> has bush spoken at all? [12:01] PeteMason >> The relationship between the US and the rest of the world will never be quite the same.... [12:01] kenny >> us/mexico boarder sealed??? thats a joke [12:01] +aloha >> right, kenny [12:01] backman >> fire chief at WTC believes devices were placed prior to attack |