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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group

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To: GST who wrote (115228)9/19/2003 6:42:07 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
GST, I like analogies, but there is no analogy between the barrier keeping Palestinians [and anyone else] out of Israel and that of people fenced or walled in to stop them escaping.

Here's a map of the barrier in Israel. Notice how Palestinians can escape to the east any time they like. electronicintifada.net In this map motlc.wiesenthal.com of the Warsaw prison, you can see there's no escape though apparently some people tried escaping through sewerage.

You are stretching the analogy to absurd proportions. In the USA there are fences and walls throughout the country keeping people out of private or government property. That doesn't mean they are like Dachau. One is to keep people out. One is to keep people in.

There have been several wars, initiated by the surrounding Arabs, and the Arabs lost. What that means is that the Israelis won. That means they get to keep the conquered property. That's what wars have always been about; property and the acquisition of it.

Kissinger was okay with Indonesia taking over East Timor. The USA was okay with Iraq taking over Iran [and supplied weapons of mass destruction to effect the takeover]. Argentina tried to take over the Falkland Islands but the British defeated them.

What's needed is a better international system than a dog eat dog world. But we don't have it yet. It's just mafia-style government in the international arena.

Think of the Great Wall of Israel as being like the Great Wall of China. It's a better comparison than the Berlin Wall, Warsaw, Dachau or other barriers designed to keep people prisoner.

I'm sure you can see the difference. Heck, the USA has a barrier down Mexico way, to try to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, but you surely wouldn't compare the USA with the Nazi prisons or Berlin Wall.

At the risk of belabouring the point. One type is to keep people in. The other is to keep them out.

I don't think what happened to the Jews in Germany should be condemned for all eternity. That would get very tiring and there are unlimited other genocidal events to condemn for all eternity too. I'm really not that interested. It's pretty much over and done with, though apparently there are still some criminals to be caught and property to be returned to those from whom it was stolen.

Slavery in the USA could be condemned for all eternity too, but that's over and done with, though some crazies are trying to argue that melanin-rich people should get taxpayer money because they might or might not have had enslaved ancestors. I don't see why I should be taxed to pay money to Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell [who would presumably get less money because he has less melanin] or Jesse Jackson or Tiger Woods or Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan and how come there are so many melanin rich Michaels and Jacksons and other Js.

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