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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread

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To: haqihana who wrote (37888)9/20/2003 5:10:24 AM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (2) of 59480
 
Have you never heard of carbon dating?

certainly.

The process has been documented to be accurate, and such dating is accepted by all of the researchers on the planet

you know not what you speak. the exact of opposite happens to be the case. it has been documented to be quite inaccurate.

The layers of the rock formations around the world, have been accurately dated as to the time they were deposited

once again, not so. researchers have sent in separate samples from the exact same layer in the same area to be dated by labs and gotten back radically different datings! you simply are uninformed with regards to this topic.

For those that are not controlled by, extremely, narrow minds,

i am not the one with the narrow mind. i have examined the basis for both creation and the evolutionary account and then formed a conclusion based on the evidence. you outright dismiss the possibility of creation and work backwards from your predetermined conclusion. rather than approaching the subject objectively, you start with a false premise (evolution) and then try to find facts to support what you wish to believe.

can accept that there is plenty of evidence for God, and science, to work together

i don't disagree. science is a wonderful way to support the biblical account of creation.

No one knows the length of a day of God

did it ever occur to you that in his omniscience God could create the heavens and the earth in the mere twinkling of the eye had he desired it so? why would God need to spend millions of years to finish his creation? what purpose would it serve to have man start out as an amoeba before morphing into an ape, and then finally a man? until you provide your "documentation", i'm left to assume this is the evolutionary account you subscribe to. my position is no secret, go read genesis for my view.

has it ever occurred to you that perhaps God chose to create the heavens and the earth in six literal days merely for our benefit, so that we might derive some meaning or understanding from it? from this perspective, what purpose would it serve for God to confuse us by having a day anything other than what his word plainly says it is?

How do we know what God looks like

i have never claimed to know the answer to this. i don't consider it important that we know.

Do you, really, believe that an, all powerful deity in the shape of a puny human, would be able to achieve such grandiose actions, and creations?

i'm not sure what you are getting at here. i never claimed Jesus was in human form when he created. Jesus can take many forms. perhaps this is just another one of your endless assumptions.

Many Christians seem to think that the only responsibility God has, is to look over this one planet of Earth

well i don't agree with those who believe this.

There is a huge universe out there, you know. Are you pompous enough to believe that in the billions of stars in the universe have no planets orbiting around them?

no, are you pompous enough to make all sorts of assumptions and then attribute them to me?

Should all men be so vain as to think they are the only intelligent beings that such a God would create?

when have i ever said that men are the only intelligent creations of God? that would contradict the bible.

You are looking at the events of the Earth's past as you want them to be, and will not accept any other explanation.

not accept? i'm still waiting for your "documentation". how can i accept your viewpoint when you have yet to share with me your documentation. how is it that you ridicule my faith for believing in (as you put it) "oral legends", yet you expect me to accept your preposterous account on blind faith! i detect a bit of hypocrisy here.

4,000 years is the age of the world touted by many fundamentalist Christians. I didn't dream it up, they did.

simply adding up the ages of the people in the bible from adam on down will yield more than 4,000 years. i don't know what kind of christians you associate with, but i get the distinct impression you jump to conclusions and don't spend a lot of time forming accurate assessments of prevailing opinion.

Can you narrow down the age of the Earth to a specific number of years?

you are the one that proclaims so much faith in scientific carbon-dating methods. if the methods are scientific, you should be able to at least give me a ballpark figure. 2 million? 20 million? 200 million?

I believe the words attributed to Jesus because they were written by those that live, ate, and slept, with Him, and witnessed the miracles he performed, and heard almost every word He said.

now hold on a second. why are some fishermen turned authors who roamed the earth a couple thousand years ago credible historians in your mind, but the account written by moses is not? if you can lend credibility to writings made 2,000 years ago, why not ones nearly 4,000 years ago? at what point does the credibility of the writings wane or disappear? is there a certain timeframe? how about 2,500 years ago. are those historical accounts not trustworthy?

Where did Jesus discuss the formation of the Earth?

in the first chapter of genesis.

I never saw it in my Bible.

perhaps you would benefit from approaching the bible with a newfound spirit of humility rather than haughty pride. it will work wonders for you. anyone can read the bible or quote from it. even the devil quoted (actually misquoted) scripture. even the devil acknowledges the presence and power of God. simply acknowledging there is a God, and having a knowledge of scripture does not necessarily mean the truth abides in you. as the apostle paul testified, you can have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.

2 Timothy 3:16. And who said those words. Those are the words of a mortal, and flawed (as we all are) human being.

oh i get it. paul's writings don't suit your particular argument for the moment so you ascribe to them zero credibility. yet others who lived during the time of Jesus are given credibility. you are remarkably inconsistent. according to your view the same people who lived, ate, slept, etc. with Jesus would be mortal men as well, would they not? so how come their words are inerrant, but paul's are not? or are you now going to claim that even those gospels which were written by eyewitnesses to Jesus's ministry are errant as well? i think you make it quite clear to all of us that you simply disregard historical accounts when they don't suit your particular needs at the moment.

Narrow mindedness is the road to ignorance, and blocks the expansion of the human mind.

take care that your mind doesn't become so open that it allows in seducing spirits. peace be with you.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; --1 Timothy 4:1-2
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