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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices
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To: Joe NYC who wrote (175614)9/30/2003 12:56:08 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) of 1570751
 
I suspect they want Bush and Blair to fail. For many people, Bush and Blair are synonymous with evil. Its why consensus is important.

Consensus for war on Iraq was unachievable.

Consensus doesn't mean you have to get everyone agree. Just enough so that you prevent the kind of dissension we have now.

I am (generally speaking) a hawk, and I was very much on the fence. It took leadership which Bush and Blair provided. Under consensus, Saddam torture chambers would still be operational.

I disagree. Bush was too lazy and too eager for war to go through what was needed to get consensus. When people wouldn't follow his lead, he scared them into agreement. It worked temporarily but now its come back to haunt him.

You didn't know that his approval rating in the UK has dropped below 30% and over 40% of the Labour party wants him to resign his office?

I knew it dropped, but I didn't know it was below 30%. The leftist opposing him may end up handing over power to Tories, if the public sees that Labor is going back to its pre-Blair roots.

I don't think so but then, I don't know English politics as well as you seem to do. The conservative leader doesn't seem to have the charisma of a Blair. Its seems the Liberal Democrats are gaining popularity but I don't know why other than people are unhappy with Blair.

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