> Lots of thoughts aren't comforting. They hardly justify murder.
I didn't say it does. But it does go to show the pressures are on both sides.
There is a good Iranian film called "Bride of Fire". It is the story of a tribal Arab girl who leaves the tribe early on and is raised in the city (i.e. Persian culture). On the surface the story is about a love triangle and a forced marriage. Dig a bit deeper and you will see it is about how the society equally forces the men and women to play their rolls wether they like it or not. Rent it if you get a chance.
> If it hurts so badly, don't do it. It doesn't. Not really.
And are you speaking from experience or is this idle conjecture?
> Money is worth having. Does this justify armed robbery? Kidnapping?
Bad example, even though for those who feel money is absolutely worth having, the answer is yes. BTW, try to read what I say not what you want to hear. I said, "Anything worth truly having is also worth dieing for." I did not say it is worth killing for (sometimes that is the case and other times it is not). How many people do you know who would knowingly choose to die for money?
> I say self defense and defense of the lives of others justifies murder.
There you go again discussing murder. Reread the above paragraph.
> What Saudi women realize about global society is of no account if Saudi women have no power.
Women have always had plenty of power and Saudi women are no exception. The issue is not if they can do anything about it, but rather do they want to and are they willing to pay the price for change. Here is a simpler way to see this: by and large the wives are chosen by the mothers and sisters for their sons and brothers. The day that Saudi women decide a good wife for their son is one who is a real partner in life rather than an obidient little girl is the day they are ready for change.
> One the counterarguments against your position that life so horribly awful for Western women...
You want to show me where I said that?
> Oh, I understand they are an extreme case of Islam.
Wrong! The issue is purely cultural and not religious. If anything, Saudis passed a chunk of their culture into Islam despite lack of official endorsement for it in Islam.
> What they do is taken from the Quran, though.
So now you are an Islamic scholar?! Given a choice between Quran and Torah, I take Quran any day and twice on Saturdays. Do you really want to go there?
> Some, such as Iran and, until the US invasion, Afghanistan, do.
So you think Iran is a strict interpretation of Quran? Shows how much you know. And btw, there is a lot more to Islam than just Quran. |
