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To: Solon who wrote (78448)	10/29/2003 11:39:58 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (3) of 82486

”agnostic about a creature conjectured with infinite powers whose existence would contradict ALL the laws of existence as we know them. This is the most incredible belief we can imagine and thus the most unlikely--and thus the least deserving of agnosticism from a rational perspective” One of the problems believers have in discussing God with atheists or agnostics is the tendency for the non-believers to press the mental form of a creature that is represented as God. If we are discussing the same entity, then it is not a creature even in the inanimate sense. I understand that you believe God is a creation of man but that is not the perspective we are discussing. We are discussing the idea of a God that is not created, thus not a creature. Something you don’t believe but I do. “All the laws,” include the laws of nature, to the extent that we understand them and in reference to physical, chemical, and life science studies. They also include the laws of moral order that are likely to promote well-being for and among living creatures. We have evidence that morally depraved individuals in history have prospered on the short term from time to time, while finding them selves in dire degradation over time. This is accounted for in the scriptures. Moral laws are emphasized in the doctrine of religion and history provides evidence that obedience to these laws promotes well-being, while disobedience to them results in suffering. The scientific laws of nature are not in contradiction to God so that statement is simply wrong since natural law is according to God's will. If you meant only the laws of survival of the fittest in nature then I agree that there is no need to imagine any order or purpose beyond that. Humans have not faired well attempting to live in such a restrictive manner. If you meant only the laws of scientific inquiry then they are inadequate as a tool to make any observation except in regards to the physical and temporal. An agnostic can take a rational perspective on the condition of the soul and how it is effected by the presence of a God of order and purpose. The ability to dismiss fanciful fairies based on the doctrine of fairies being presented via fictitious fairy tales is rational. Doubt vs regard for the possibility of omnipotence leaves agnostics wondering. I see nothing irrational about that.

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