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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (489469)11/10/2003 12:21:04 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) of 769670
 
?????????? How have I 'redefined humanity'??????????

"See below."

So, your personal morality is relativistic... based upon human forms and norms? ... Not derived from anything greater than our pitiful little species of hairless ape?

"It relativistic only inasmuch as it relates to the existence of that certain family of creatures in possession of the genetic marker that uniquely identifies them as human - as "us." Apes simply do not have that character."

>>> We are apes.

Sorry, I tend to take what I believe is a longer view... and look to things like speciation events.....

"If creatures do not possess the logic that accounts for all human creatures in our family, morality does not apply to them. They are not us. And that is objectively apparent, Buddy."

>>> And, if an objectively superior creature (or at least a more powerful or 'advanced' one) happened upon the scene... would 'morality' not longer apply to us? No longer be derived from the human context? Be surplanted?

I looked. Nothing I wasn't already in the know about. As I said: I prefer to look at larger complications, beyond any narrow species-centric focus or mythology. You are welcome though.

"And this is how you redefine humanity. You reduce what you are in nature to that which is as significant as everything. That is effective nihilism and serves as a basis for nothing."

>>> No, no Nihilist. Am Optimist.

You have two objective choices before you - and they are literally all we have in nature. You may choose morality based upon human identity, or morality based upon the identity of everything. Should you choose the latter, then nothing human really matters at all.

>>> I reject the false dicotomy... though, it's true, my definition would fall somewhere between your two poles.

>>> I would choose to have a moral sense that transcended mere humanity... though as long as we have feet of clay, that might ever remain more goal than reality.
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