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Pastimes : Ask God

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To: alan w who wrote (35911)11/30/2003 8:47:58 PM
From: Berry Picker  Read Replies (4) of 39621
 
Futurists must teach that biblical time statements are meaningless.

There are too many verses that disallow a 2000 year period before Christ returns

The verse you just quoted is the verse they ALWAYSuse to attempt this:

2 Peter 3:8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.

The misuse of this verse is the hallmark of futurists

What they claims is that it means when God says something is close - it could be far -
or that when God says something is far - it could actually be close.

Short can mean either short or long
Quick can mean either quick or not quick
Close may be far while far may be close - on and on.

In other words - God's time statements become meaningless.

{Actually they do not use it to mean far is close or long is quick -
they only need it to may close, at hand, quickly etc mean NOT any of those things.}

They use that verse to explain why their unbiblical
theories do not need to stand up to the scrutiny of scripture or what Jesus actually said and revealed.

The question becomes...

Why does God inform us that things are close - if they indeed are not

- OR -

Why does God use time statements if they are virtually meaningless to us

The bible is written to God's elect - it is meant to be understood.

The fact that futurist teach that scripture is not meant to be understood
is why futurism should be addressed - it makes Christianity the most
intellectually dishonest school on earth.

God uses time statements - they are not meaningless.

Your use of this verse is out of context.

You and all futurists are misusing 2 Peter 3:8

Let's rewrite some verses according to what you and others would have us think....

Daniel 10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel,
whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true,
but the time appointed was long OR VERY SHORT :
and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to
the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
or months or years or centuries or split seconds

Matthew 25:19 After a long time OR A FEW MOMENTS LATER
the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. OR HE WILL TAKE HIS SWEET TIME
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: OR LONG AFTER YOU ARE DEAD
hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: OR VERY SLOWLY
blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein:
for the time is at hand. OR COMPLETELY OUT OF YOU REACH

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you,
This generation OR SOME OTHER GENERATION
shall not pass, OR MAY ACTUALLY PASS
till all these things be fulfilled. OR NOT FULFILLED

Because long could be short or quick could be slow
or near could be far and even Jesus was clueless....

Alan - think about that - how can you believe such crap?

Is God the liar and the devil true?

According to this kind of wresting of scripture apparently so.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

It is time to take Jesus at His Word.

Brian
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