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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank

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To: Lane3 who wrote (79786)12/28/2003 9:58:17 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (3) of 82486
 
Miss Holt- FYI.

Don't give up on Joan of Arc. That's an excellent Confirmation name. From: LindyBill Sunday, Dec 28, 2003 4:43 AM View Replies (1) | Respond to of 21952
France's national icon debunked as a phony
The article to which LB refers DOES NOT SAY ANY SUCH THING. He goes on to say: St. Joan of Arc, has been debunked as a fake, a phony martyr used by the monarchy to fabricate a miracle and lend itself legitimacy. ALSO UNTRUE. Horbenko's theory is his lone speculation based in part on his finding of One skeleton, in particular, (that) shocked him. "The bones indicate that the woman wore heavy armour and had developed muscles that I have seen in other fighters of the age. What kind of historian is Horbenko that he is "shocked" at this? It was not uncommon for French women of that time to don armor and ride (on horseback) along with the troops.:there were actually a number of women who led armies and/or wore armor during that era, including Countess Jeanne de Penthièvre, Marcia Ordelaffi, Jeanne de Belleville, Lady de Châtillon and Countess Jeanne de Montfort. Such women were fulfilling their societal roles under the laws of feudalism rather than "breaking the rules".

In an era in which political power was vested in the hands of aristocratic families, noble women were expected and required to lead, either directly or symbolically, their family's forces if their husband or son were unavailable.
from Myths about Joan of Arc geocities.com which leads off with: Joan of Arc has always been the target of libelous distortions and propaganda from the first moment she came before Judge Cauchon in Rouen, a trend which has continued throughout the subsequent centuries; and the situation has become particularly grim in recent decades with the rise of "intellectual nihilism" (aka "Postmodernism"), an anti-intellectual movement which has been embraced by a small but influential subset of modern academics. It's a very informative article. As to Horbenko's speculation that has led to his speculation, HOrbenko concedes:: "So far there has been little publicity given to (my) theory. I know it must be thoroughly checked..." Amen. from nzherald.co.nz -

I posted to you here because LB - in a pre-emptive strike against me, I learned just today, has disallowed me to post there.

Joan of Arc is still a hero because her detractors have succeeded in proving only that they are detractors. Bye.
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