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Politics : Middle East Politics

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To: steve kammerer who wrote (5445)1/3/2004 11:25:07 AM
From: rrufff  Read Replies (3) of 6945
 
Here's the way I see it. You don't want the US to support Israel. So you basically ignore arguments that support Israel and ignore the fact that you never are critical of terrorist tactics, so long as they are aimed at Israel. In essence, terror is ok because Israel is at fault.

It is your right to suggest that the US should not support Israel. The vast majority of Americans support Israel, irrespective of other labels such as liberal or conservative, rich or poor, religious, agnostic or atheist, Democrat or Republican.

You claim that the holocaust is used as an excuse now to garner "pity." You don't seem to grasp the enormity of the holocaust. Talk to some survivors or relatives of survivors. Visit a museum. Nobody wants pity. What those who won't forget want is to make sure that this never happens again, not just to Jews. Those of us who feel this way wish that the US and other nations will step in wherever tyrants threaten their own people or others with mass murder, rape, torture, and economic pillage. Obviously the US can't do everything. I was aghast at how we waited so long to help in Liberia. A few troops 6 months earlier could have saved 1000's of lives. I didn't think of the suffering people as black or white, Jewish, Christian or Muslim. I saw people begging for some help and a tyrant who grew rich on this suffering. There was a clear reason for immediate help, irrespective of the cost. In this case, the cost would have been minimal.

You really are so far out on a limb, extended because of your hatred, even though you don't recognize it.

I have been critical of Israel, particularly Sharon, and yet you post that I am an operative and you use the same language in response to other posters. Yet you whine and moan when someone comes back with an attack on your hatred.

Again - there is nothing to prevent you from posting your opinion that Israel should not get support from the US or that Israel is to blame for the problems of the ME. That's your right to post something illogical, not formed by fact, pretending that an opinion is truth, ignoring reality.

Yet - you have to recognize that your opinions will not be taken as fact and, in fact, are recognized as extreme.

Most who support Israel wish to have peace. If real peace can be guaranteed, it really won't matter what the final borders are. There is plenty of land for everyone. If there is real peace and real education to overcome the years of teaching hatred, then there will be room for Jewish residents in Palestine and for Arabs in Israel. The demographic issues need to be recognized and I believe most Arabs could care less if there is a tiny strip of land that is Jewish.

The market forces will come into play. Recent polls have shown that Palestinians really want a good home and a good job and don't want either endless strife or to be parents of martyrs. Money will compensate those who have legitimate claims, whether they are Israeli settlers or in Palestinian camps. It is never more plain than in the ME that money talks and bs walks. Just ask Arafat.

By blindly criticizing Israel, you make your point that US should not support Israel. Yet, your obvious bias really makes the best case for a strong Israel, supported by the US. In peace time, there is no question that Israel will not be a threat to its neighbors. Yes, there are extremists in Israel as there are in any society. They would be a very minor influence in peace time. IMO, extreme Likud policies will never see the light of day in a post-peace treaty era. Sharon himself has begun to go it alone, distancing himself from the far right, in an attempt to make a last ditch effort at a legacy which embraces the notion of peacemaker.

Can you say the same thing about Arafat?
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