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To: tejek who wrote (2362)	1/7/2004 7:34:20 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) of 7936

That doesn't prove anything about who is being targeted it only shows that Israel has more power. More then three times as many Iraqis have died then Americans in the conflict there. "only shows that Israel has more power." Well that says it all. Says all of what? I can think of several posibilites. 1 - The comment says something about me or my argument(s) in your opinion. 2 - That having more power somehow means that Israel should be looked at more harshly or that having less power somehow makes the Palestinians morally superior in some way. 3 - That you where directly responding to " "only shows that Israel has more power." but rather where asserting that your earlier statement that "three times as many Palestinians have been killed as Israelis" somehow "says it all.". I'm not sure if you mean one of these or something else that I didn't think of. "Do you have anything to link Ben Gurion to any serious terrorist incident?" He was old by the 1930s but he was a Zionist leader. He would have planned and directed the attacks but he would not have participated. Anything that indicated that he planed or directed the hotel bombing or similarly serious attack would be enough. I not asking for evidence that he was the trigger man. I'll tell you why not.......the killing of innocent Palestinian bystanders is no more accidental with the Israelis than it is with the Palestinians. I don't think this is true bt obviously neither of us have hard evidence of unstated intentions. First, Zionist terrorism did not stop until the 70s. By that time, Israel had enough military power and legitimacy that she did not need to use terrorism as a weapon any more. What large scale terrorism was the Iraeli government or some Israeli organization with wide spread support commiting in the 60s or early 70s? If you also count occational small scale terrorism from disconnected individuals that Zionist/Jewish/Israeli terrorism still hasn't stopped, you'll always have crazy or evil individuals, but I don't think that terrorism at this level is all that relevant to our discussion. Secondly, what can the Palestinians do. They can refarin from terrorism. More terrorism doesn't move them closer to having an independent state. The blacks rioted because they could. The Arabs can not riot and still get away with it. The Israeli reprisals would be significant. So if riots by American blacks in the US where put down harshly then the blacks would be justified in using terrorism? And in the half century where they could not be repatriated did they lead terrorist campaigns? Did they bomb or otherwise murder innocent Russians or Poles? The terrorists are 5 per cent of the Palestinian population. What about the other 95%? Your question is hardly an answer to my question. But to answer yours... The Palestinains terrorists get wide spread support from the Palestinian people. If most Palestinians were working for peace with Israel and a small minority where not then the terrorists could be dealt with as violent criminals. The Japanese army in WWII was more then 5% of the population but it was still a minority, should we have refrained from any attacks that could have killed Japanese civilians. Not a totally unreasonable demand but not one that justifies the continuing violence. In fact they are more likely to get reparations if the violence stops. No they are not.........the Israelis are very much against reparations. I didn't say they where very likely to get reperations (though maybe they could get some compensation that wouldn't be enough to be full reperations for their claims) just that they would be more likely to get such reperations if the violence stops. If the violence doesn't stop the chance is about 0%. If it does the chance is at least in the single digits. Tim

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