SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Politics for Pros- moderated

 Public ReplyPrvt ReplyMark as Last ReadFilePrevious 10Next 10PreviousNext  
To: Lane3 who wrote (23516)1/9/2004 5:08:30 AM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (2) of 793600
 
there is a second choice among war with Iraq and some other unnamed actions. I didn't think it was correct to assert that the political movement paradigm lead automatically to war.

I have not seen any opponents of Perle's thinking, whether from the Left or from the Realists at State, seriously acknowledge Islamism as a political movement and explain how they would approach the problem.

Maybe because they think we're fighting a war on terror. After all, that's what they've been told.


kholt,
You are presenting the same old argument and still fail to account for several things:
1. In America, it is not necessary to convince you personally. 51% of the people is enough.
2. You have forgotten the UN's failed role in containing Iraq.
3. You have forgotten the US Congress' authorization to use force to remove saddam if Iraq continued to refuse to cooperate with UN sanctions. That was an expectation...as near an order as congress can issue.

Painting everything with a broad brush called terrorism assumes every terrorist movement and leader have the same goal. That is not even close and our leaders know that.

Terror organizations are very very complex and numerous. Here is a list of all the terror groups on the current state dept roster:

Abu Nidal Organization
Abu Sayyaf Group
Armed Islamic Group
Aum Shinrikyo
Basque Fatherland and Liberty
Gama'a al-Islamiyya
HAMAS
Harakat ul-Mujahideen
Hizballah
al-Jihad
Kahane Chai
Kurdistan Worker's Party
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization
National Liberation Army
Palestinian Islamic Jihad -- Shaqaqi Faction
Palestinian Liberation Front -- Abu Abbas Faction
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine -- General Command
al-Qa'ida
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia
Revolutionary Nuclei
Revolutionary Organization 17 November
Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front
Shining Path
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
'Asbat al-Ansar
Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jemaah Islamiya
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Lashkar I Jhangvi
Real IRA
Salafist Group for Call and Combat
United Self-Defense Forces/Group of Colombia

Anyone looking at this list will agree with your assertion that Islamism needs to be addressed as part of the problem. I believe it is being addressed, albeit not in open forums. You must see the difficulty our leaders have in stating that publicly, afterall freedom of religion is a guarantee in America.

There are 36 terror organizations on that list. Taking down Iraq hurt many of them badly, very badly. You are not convinced of which is the appropriate approach to resolution. I strongly recommend you read about each of these 36 orgs. Knowing your enemy is essential to comprehending and evaluating proposed solutions.

We all need to understand how complex this problem is, because the war on terror has only just begun. We very well may need 36 different solutions. This war is going to become more complicated not less. And most disturbing to me is there is no clear winner in sight.
uw
Report TOU ViolationShare This Post
 Public ReplyPrvt ReplyMark as Last ReadFilePrevious 10Next 10PreviousNext