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Pastimes : Ask God

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To: alan w who wrote (36312)1/11/2004 7:01:00 PM
From: Berry Picker  Read Replies (2) of 39621
 
Hello Allan..

I agree with one thing pointed out by that fellow.

It is unfortunate that our English translations have been
tainted by the beliefs of the days they were translated.

That I can prove.

I do thank God however that we now live in an "age" where
we can easily refer to the original Greek and have many electronic
helps and studies.

You still believe all men eventually make it to heaven I take it :-)

I will also agree that fighting over the "nature" of the resurrection
is a little ridiculous - I do however see motive behind that aim.

This is what I believe the motive is.

It is hoped that one can prove from scripture that men get bodies
so similar to the ones they now have that it is not possible
that the resurrection could have occurred in 70 AD
without the whole of carnal mankind recording the event.

Therefore they conclude - no solid historical record - no event.

(An interesting question is why would carnal men record what
convicts them as sinners?
Or - how can you record something that happens in a split second
especially when no one is likelu to believe you anyway?
They did not believe Jesus rose - how much less multitudes.)

They then in an attempt to make Jesus and Paul inerrant and
change what they plainly said into an airy hit or miss
verbage directed at those to whom they spoke but intended for
future hearers to whom it would truly be relevant.

This theory is called the

UNIVERSAL VOICE of CHRIST

They actually think this glorifies Jesus making His voice
different than any other voice uttered on earth

What is really does is makes Jesus a liar but whatever.

Some do not mind saying that Both Paul and Jesus were wrong
it does not seem to bother them nor do they understand the implications.

The problem with the whole effort is that even if they could
prove
that the bodies of those who are resurrected at the second coming
could be visible - it does not prove that those bodies would be seen.

Why one may ask - because it is to happen in the "twinkling of an eye"

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and
the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


In a "moment" or in our language - a split second.

Jesus - as a thief in the night - steals them from under the world's nose.

Now I may be wrong - but I think that is the motive.

It is however also interesting to note that Josephus did record
that angels were reported as being seen in the air at the vengeance in 70 AD

So there actually is historical evidence - but that is not the point
nor does any historical account mean it actually happened
nor does the lack prove it did not happen.

The FACT that everything Jesus said would accompany the second
coming that could never be hidden is both historically recorded
and admitted by all.

Only the elements that may have been utterly invisible
are denied making both Christ and His apostles false prophets.

Have you studied the greek words translated "everlasting punishment" in this verse:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.

Odd that we can both study earnestly the word - and yet
come up with completely different gods really.

My God intends to eternally punish some while yours is just kidding (sorry)

I think I would much rather read what you could write than
what others may have written although you agree with them.

Brian
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