Ted Re..So your argument is that giving money to the families of suicide bombers is an example of a well known supporter of terrorism. I don't agree with that argument. To me supporting terrorism is giving aid to those who commit an act of terrorism and not to their families after the fact.
Are you nuts. Saddam was helping the terrorist organizations recruit suicide bombers, by promising 25,000 to their descendants; which by the way, in not a small amount in Palestine.
And if true, what does that say about conditions in Palestine that guys who have their whole lives in front of them go for such a ploy?
My concern is to go after the perpetrators of 9/11. What's yours?
Good one. Certainly that is one way to stick your head in the sand and do nothing as all of the 9/11 perpetrators are dead. My main concern is to rid the US, and the world of terrorism. Which means going after the organizations, terrorists, etc, who compel their members to commit acts of destruction against the general public. Al Qaeda is hardly the only terrorist organization doing that. Secondly, if you limit yourself to just Al Qaeda, what is to keep OBL and his ilk from disbanding Al Qaeda, and starting another, just as deadly terrorist organization. And what is to keep the financiers from contributing to another terrorist group, if you limit yourself to just Al Qaeda.
Okay. Besides Saddam, what other organizations have we gone after?
Sooooooo......how much oil is Iraq producing? They aren't anywhere close to pre war production levels. In fact, they have failed to meet their production goal of 3 million barrels by the end of December.........
There you go again with that vision thing. It isn't how much Iraq is producing today. It is how much Iraq can produce, once the economy is rebuilt, and how much power in the Arab world,Iraq, can take away from SA.
What makes you think the insurgents will allow it?
Because we are smart enough to protect our asses.
Duh Isn't it just the opposite? Al Qaeda hasn't been able to easily penetrate our defenses, and therefore, is going after less secure, Iraqi civilians.
Duh! Isn't that what I just said?
Which will backfire on them. Terrorist organizations need the support of the people. How long before even the most devoted Iraqi Sunni, tires of the senseless killing of his neighbors. How long before the fanatical Wahhabbi clerics decide, their sending their parishoners to their deaths, isn't a good long term plan.
You talk like the Muslim hate for America is this pet peeve and that after a few deaths they will get over it. It would be nice if you're right. However, I doubt it.
Of course they are.....no one is saying these are good people. That's why I wish we would have gone after them rather than Saddam.
We are doing both in Iraq. Because Al Qaeda is expending a lot of energy and manpower trying to stop democracy in Iraq, you conclude that that isn't detracting from Al Qaeda? Get real. It is forcing Al Qaeda to harm the people it is trying to recruit. It is allowing our soldiers to understand Al Qaeda's methods, and figure out counter measures. It is taking the fight to them, on our terms, against our best soldiers, in a land they don't want to fight on. They want to destroy Americans and America. All they are destroying now is Iraqi civilians, their aura of invincibility, and their image of being for Muslims. Take them out of their elements, and they can, and will be beaten.
What you say sounds good but you forget that al Qaeda is not this monolithic org. but rather a series of cells, none of which are a mirror reflection of the other. Furthermore, al Qaeda has over a billion Muslims to draw many of whom are mired in poverty and angry.
Let me put that into more graphic terms. Seventy per cent of the world doesn't have indoor plumbing....that means they have to run down to the local brook or communal well to get their water. They defecate in their backyards. Forty percent of the world's population lives in 80 semi arid and arid countries..........they hardly ever have enough water and many die from malnutrition and dehydration. Much of this poverty is centered in the Muslim world.
How do you think they see Americans who lose 70% of their available water to evaporation.......who waste water like it was garbage? Who flaunt our wealth and consume 25% of the world's resources when we have less than 5% of the world's population? Who supports their tyrants when its to our advantage?
We have no friends in the Middle East. Al Qaeda has a huge resource of population from which to draw.
Thank you for making my point.
What point? That you think Al Qaeda can only be beaten one way.
That al Qaeda is the real enemy.
Really, I don't have time for such nonsense.
Of course you don't. Why worry about technicalities, it just gets in the way of your lying. You can call the war in Iraq many things, but pre-emptive isn't one of them. But what the heck. Give me a link to the peace treaty, both the US and Iraq signed.
You and Bush can lie to yourselves but the world sees it for what it is.......a pre emptive war.
In fact, I knew Bush was lying in the fall of 2002. Its no surprise to me there are no WMDs and no al Qaeda links.
You sure?
weeklystandard.com;
This is the latest version of a story that's been going around for months. If they had definitive proof, the White House would be all over it like bees on honey.......they're desperate. In the meantime, I'll stick with what I think is the truth.
It was the same with the WMDs. Just a few months ago, Kay was sure he had found the smoking gun and WMDs would be discovered. More wishful thinking! |
