Hi Sig; Re: "Are you having a bit of problem here Bilow?. You should try harder to stay current with the latest news. No lies by Bush,others have already confessed to the filthy crime of misreading intelligence data."
My comment was that it was a common perception in Iraq that Bush lied about WMDs, as well as his motivation for starting the war. You're saying I have a bit of a problem? Have you seen what the American public thinks of Bush??? Here's the latest poll:
A New Low -- Bush Job Approval Dogged By WMD Questions, Economy and John Kerry
ABC News, February 13, 2004
Bush Administration on WMD Evidence
Exaggerated: 54%
Didn't Exaggerate: 42%
Exaggerated/Didn't Lie: 31%
Lied: 21%
abcnews.go.com
You have a situation where 21% of the American public believes that Bush lied and you think the Iraqis are cutting him slack?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This is almost as hilarious as Hawkmoon's shocked and surprised complaints that the people they called "cowards" and "cheese eating surrender monkeys" didn't offer much help in return, LOL.
Re: "Well gosh, it seemed at the time to be a good idea ..."
Most of the rest of your post is devoted to an apparent attempt to convince me that the US had good motivations for a policy that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Hey, I'm not the person you need to convince. If you want me on your side you have to convince me that you have managed to convince the Iraqis. I'm not the one setting up roadside bombs to kill Americans. I'm not your enemy. If you want to convince me that the war was a brilliant idea, you have to go convince the Iraqis of the idea first.
Why aren't you going on and on about the electricity situation in Iraq? The gasoline situation? Shouldn't the Iraqis be gloriously happy with our occupation because we've already fixed the electric and gasoline problems in their country after only 10 months? Oh, the electricity problem remains in Baghdad and most of the country is rationing gasoline? Maybe that's why you're not bothering to try and show that we're getting in good with the Iraqis. But you really should give up on the moralistic explanations for the war. None of this is read by any Iraqis. Instead, the Iraqis listen to moralistic explanations for why Islam is a superior religion to that of the heathen and Godless West. They talk to each other about the stealing of their oil, and about how the US had helped Saddam stay in power in the past.
The whole collapse of Bush's foreign policies are due to the simple fact that they're not foreign policies at all. All he does is pander to a domestic constituency of medium grade morons. When his administration called the French, Germans and Belgians the "chocolate making countries" (or whatever the details of that insult were), it was done for the same reason that all the neocons spread the "cheese eating surrender monkeys" or the "freedom fries" insults; these things played well in the United States. None of this BS did anything to advance US foreign policy. Instead, it choked off our chances of our getting help when we later needed it. The neocons sat around and made enemies for us, not just in the 3rd world countries that they made into battlefields, but in the 1st, 2nd and 4th worlds too.
Re: "Even I can see that if we left Iraq tomorrow, there would be mad rush to those 800,000 tons of arms stored in the depots. And the Baaths, who know where the most potent stuff is stored, would win in the end."
(a) Who ever said that we should leave Iraq tomorrow? It's physically impossible for us to leave the country in less than about a month, LOL.
(b) Who ever said that after leaving Iraq we shouldn't provide arms and assistance (but not soldiers) to those groups in Iraq that we favor?
(c) Who ever thinks that the Baathists are popular in Iraq? They don't have a chance of taking over again.
What you're doing here is either deliberately painting the alternatives in a limited fashion for the purpose of debate, or implicitly admitting a severe lack of imagination.
-- Carl |
