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Politics : The Castle
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To: TimF who wrote (2753)2/16/2004 6:10:11 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) of 7936
 
Its not glossing over history at all. The mandate is irrelevant to this specific point.

It is?

Yes totally irrelevant. Most countries that control land didn't have any international mandate when they took control. They where just powerful enough to take control. One they do take control they usually only lose it to someone who is powerful enough to take it from them. It's unusual for a country, esp. one that has little land and is surrounded by enemies and potential enemies to give up control of it.

I see......its the law of the jungle and the laws of men are irrelevant. Anarchy is preferable to order. Glad you told us how you think.

The mandate is what gave the Israelis control over the land and the ability to create a state, nothing else.

It doesn't matter what gave them control over it. Once they have control few countries give it up.

I said because it has more power if it comes down to a matter of power then Israel gets what it wants.

Might makes right. That's exactly what you saying. Because they can do it, they will.

That isn't might makes right. Might makes right would mean that because they have power that it is right for them to use it to get what they want. I am not arguing that. If Israel abuses the Palestinians it does not become right because Israel is more powerful.

Whether you understand it or not, you are saying that because Israel has the power to overrule the UN mandate, they can do it. In my book, that's not right but by exercising that power, she made it right. That's what the phrase "might makes right" means.

The RIGHT thing is to give back the land but you don't think Israel should; hence, by exercising her might, Israel has made it right [by your standards] to control the land that she was not entitled to have under the UN mandate.
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