Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "Have you, or have you not, argued that US forces should be immediately removed from Iraq?"
I have. But that doesn't have much to do with the conclusion you jumped to:
I guess that would have kept us out of just about every war we've ever fought." #reply-19865974
Re: "I've heard you INCESSANTLY discuss US casualities and how nothing is worthwhile related to Iraq, that would justify US casualities."
There is nothing in Iraq that justifies US casualties, but the argument doesn't generalize to other places or other times.
You generalized the argument because you didn't have any logical complaints about the argument as it stood. So you built up a strawman and attacked that.
Re: "What part of our history would you care that draw the example from? Capone's Valentine's day massacre? The ongoing drug and gang wars in LA? Watts riots?"
In each of these examples, the public did warn the police when it was widely known that the police were being targeted by an outlaw group. In fact, none of the three incidents you mention involved anywhere near the bloodshed that was committed in Fallujah against the police. The Valentine's day massacre involved no dead policemen at all. The drug and gang wars in LA rarely kill any police, and any numbers killed are tiny compared to the numbers of gang members killed by other gang members. The Watts riots involved a lot of citizens calling the police and warning them about the situation, I don't recall if any police were targeted.
You're comparing these situations to a situation in Fallujah where the police were driven out of a police station with dozens killed.
Re: "That's BS!! If that were the case, Bush would never ..."
My statement was about YOU, not Bush. Of course Bush cares about "unity", he needs my vote. You're the one that didn't give a hang about unity before the Iraq invasion.
Re: " France and Russia were in the minority of the UNSC."
This is a Hawkmoon fantasy. See #reply-19755727 for my reply to it.
Re: "But at least we're leaving them in a better situation to manage the security and political affairs for themselves. That's what will be important, giving the Iraqis sufficient time to create and/or reform the institutions of government necessary for stabilization."
Cool that you can admit that the Iraq situation is deteriorating. But why should I care about whether or not the Iraqis can manage their security and political concerns? Note I do not agree with your assumption that the Iraqis are in a position to manage these concerns, I just don't see what it has to do with me. As far as what does have to do with me, I see an Iraq which has been changed from an authoritarian anti-clerical state into a state likely to end up with a clerical government, one that will inevitably be turned against us.
-- Carl |
