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Politics : Canadian Political Free-for-All

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To: Kitskid who started this subject3/29/2004 1:41:33 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Read Replies (2) of 37058
 
Health care..
-More than more money..
-I'm alright jack seems to cost the most
-More than state sponsored..
In the following examples you can see why it is not either or... but as I've said before something more... and there are likely lots more out there for any that care to look instead just saying universality at all costs or look the the US the y know how to do it....

There is something wrong with our entire system... forget only healthcare... that's just a symptom... Until the Canadian electorate learns to take out the trash on a regular ongoing basis at the ballot box and not continually recycle it everything else is moot... We need to stop being so friggin' regional or maybe just break up and become a bunch of really unimportant petty failed states...

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Fun with numbers:

US Healthcare - the World's Least Productive?
US consumer's expenses for healthcare is raising rapidly accoring to lycos news (via Reuters via Agonist): "Politicians take note: Americans fret more about losing their health insurance than being a victim of a terrorist attack, according to the results of a poll released on Tuesday." One is wondering then, from the European perspective, if the US healthcare actually deliver good care for the money spent. Quoting (again) Suzukis's Economic & Social Data Ranking page, the US is only as good as Greece and S.Korea at keeping its youngest children alive. Yet the US spends by far the most on its healthcare, and about 4 times as much as those with the same infant mortality. Something has gone terribly wrong over there it seems. Overall productivity in the US healthcare is simply way to low. Are they curing non-diseases while ignoring the most serious cases?

OECD ranking on Total expenditure on health - Per capita, US$ PPP [2000], infant mortality in the right column:

1 United States__4.631____6.69
2 Switzerland___3.222____4.42
3 Germany_____2.748____4.65
4 Luxembourg__2.613 ____4.71
5 Iceland______2.608____3.53
6 Canada______2.535____4.95

OECD ranking on Infant mortality rate (number of deaths per 1,000 live births) [2002], healthcare expenditures in th right column:

3 Poland________9.17_____558
4 Hungary_______8.77_____841
5 Slovakia_______8.76_____690
6 South Korea____7.58_____893
7 United States___6.69____4.631
8 Greece________6.25____1.399
9 New Zealand___6.18____1.623
10 Portugal______5.84____1.441

And americans should worry about bad and expensive healthcare as it actually is worse than terrorism. According to the cencus demographic data, about 4 million babies are born/year in the US of which more than 26,000 died *very* young. If the US would have the cheaper and better Swiss healthcare system, less than 18,000 would do so. And I don't think terrorists could kill off 8,000 american babies each year, if you excuse the somewhat cynic calculation. And it is at any rate far less cynic than the healthcare system it tries to describe.
posted by Mats # 8:20:36 PM
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First of all a couple of points that may be worth mentioning for those of us unfamiliar with the French health system. Private hospitals in France are not like BUPA hospitals here in the UK. Anyone can go to a private hospital in France. You will have to pay, but about 75% of the fee will be re-imbursed by national insurance. So it does not actually cost more money to 'go private' in France. Most people also pay for an insurance policy (mutuelle) that will pay the remaining 25%. Often this is a benefit in kind from your employer. I think it is a brilliant idea. Those who vist France will come back asking 'Why can't we have a health service like this?' The answer is simple folks, most of you do not want to pay for it!
Jim, UK and France


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