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To: Lane3 who wrote (39000)4/12/2004 5:23:54 AM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (2) of 793843
 
What made Christians change?


Black Death. Secularism. The transfer of shame apportionment from individuals to sherrifs and courts.

Churches had to follow.

I see no reason which is objective that suggests Muslims have to take centuries to get to a reformation or enlightenment.

The problem is that the religion has been used to ideologize murder and robbery. This started about a thousand years ago when Muslims, mostly Arab ones, successfully destroyed their own enlightemment - "faith trumps reason."

Take any significant part of the Arab world, disallow murder and robbery as standardized behaviour and the religion there will follow. As Iraq illustrates, this is not an easy task but it's not impossible. Right now, most Muslim societies, not all, are the weakest they've ever been in their history, and this through their own actions, while at the same time rival societies have become stronger - this is their "major catastrophe" that is mentioned:

I think they are going to change.... After a major catastrophe.

If the salient difference between them and us is the pride/shame thing, then it's not the religion thing in which chase you should be directing your comments at Arabs rather than Muslims.

You have the same kind of problem in Pakistan, and Iran has been moving in that direction as the Mullahs re-instutionalize murder and robbery - but again it's not the religion it's the retrograde ideology which has seized the religion as vehicle.
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