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Politics : Stockman Scott's Political Debate Porch

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To: Suma who wrote (42796)4/16/2004 2:05:35 AM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (2) of 89467
 
I cannot take exception with what you say but I wonder,speculate as it were as to whether,after 9/11 there could have been any appeasement.
No. You do not simply ignore or talk about an act like that. You go to war.

When we had the favor of the world would it not have been prudent to go to the U.N for condemnation of OBL and at the same time mediate with the Arab world to oppose this fanatic and his interpretation of the Koran.. Do you think we might have gained by some diplomacy instead of a rush to war ?
So you honestly thinks those fanatics in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan, Libya, Saudi Arabia .... that had considered us nothing but a target for decades would just TALK to us and reform? THey hadn't in those decades before. And what would lead you to believe, based on their records, that they spoke honestly unless you gave them reason to with a demonstration of armed might?

This isn't a Sunday School picnic like Jimmy Carter seemed to think; it's international politics. It's a tough and dirty game.

I equivocate on this because it seems that for every action there has to be an equal opposite reaction
That's a law of physics. It's not a law of politics. There it's sometimes yes, sometimes no, and therefore no law.

Saying that force never settled anything is simply silly. It settled the fate of Hitler and the Third Reich quite nicely. It settled the fate of the expansion of Islam itself into Europe at Vienna in 1683. They were driven back over the next two decades.

Am I coming from being scared that we never will have peace now and that terrorism will be with us for decades.. or more.
When has there ever been peace on Earth? Before this threat there was the Cold War. Before that, Nazism. Before that....

Go back through recorded history. You will find no time when there was no armed conflict.

NO one ever spoke of appeasement
"Appeasement" is a rather bad word for you to use. It brings to mind Neville Chamberlain and the consequences of his folly. He too wished to avoid war at all costs- -and got the largest one to date. He was soon replaced by Winston Churchill who said

"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."
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