Egypt has a serious problem........a regional superpower sits on her doorstep.
It is a superpower that developed because of civility and ingenuity, without the encumbrances inherent to Islamic savagery.
Dumb? I told you to do your homework. The Greeks were well before the Islamic empire. We're talking AD, not BC.
Well you have obviously forgotten your own position here, or you wish to try and forget it, a thing which you simply will not do here. Your claim is that Europe consisted of essential savages who were 'pissing in their pants' while Islam was a bastion of learning and civility. It is a false claim because Europe had a very long and well established history of cultural development stretching far into antiquity, long before Islam raised its filthy head. Consider trying a bit of integrity, just for a change.
Eventually? Turkey has been Muslim since around 1200 AD.
And here we see you need to learn how to argue your position. You have claimed that Europe consisted of essential savages, 'pissing in their pants,' while Islamic culture was a bastion of civilization and learning. The facts clearly are against you here, but you are obviously too ignorant of debate to see how you’ve destroyed your own claim. When you claim Turkey has been muslim since 1200A.D., you are claiming that before that time Turkey consisted of cultural savages while the muslims were bastions of civilization. The entire reason you mentioned Islamic Turkey was to appropriate its cultural advances to support your argument. But the facts are dead against you. Byzantium up to your 1200A.D. did not consist of essential savages, but was a very highly developed civilization and had been a very highly developed civilization long before and even during the muslim conquest. I marvel that you can be so silly as to even make such a ridicuoous claim as you have.
All I said is that Byzantium was the forerunner to Istanbul which was the capital of Turkey, a Muslim nation.
You really ought not lie. That is not "all" you said. When in response to your claim of a 'barbaric Europe' I referred to pre-Islamic Byzantine cultural development, you responded by claiming Byzantium was the forerunner to muslim Istanbul. Well of course it was, but that does not eliminate the clear fact that this region was very highly developed long before and at the time of the muslim conquest. You clearly hadn’t a clue of the history here. And you have failed to support this fruity “savage Europe/civilized Islam” theory.
Both Islam and Europe contributed significantly to the development of the human race.
This is so stupid I ought not even address it. Firstly, the contribution of Europe to humanity literally dwarfs that of Islam. Secondly, it is all irrelevant. You must not show that Europe contributed anything. That is not your position. It is mine.
You must show that at some point between 600A.D. and 1930 A.D. Europe consisted of essential savages “pants pissers,” relative to Islamic nations. You cannot prove this because it is plainly false. The fact is, by the time Islam came along, Europe was sitting on at least a millennium of profound cultural development.
Do you think the Iraqi war will do us in?
It will do you in. There is no “us” here. I certainly am not connected to you to any significant degree - thank goodness.
I see.......[Hitler] did not murder 6 million people. What.......you make this stuff up as you go along?
You are claiming that because Hitler murdered 6 million people, most Europeans were murderers from WWII back to some unsupported, unsubstantiated completely ridiculous time. It is a preposterous claim. You cannot show that most Europeans were murderers simply because Hitler led the destruction of 6 million Jews. Hitler was a phenomenon who ultimately was destroyed by vast numbers of Europeans. You are just pulling these statements out of your nether regions and you offer not a shred of support for them. Most Europeans indeed.
Do you think it matters to the dead whether they were killed over religion or not?
The point I have made here is not at all difficult to follow, tejek. My concerns are obviously not for the dead, but for the living. It matters to the living because it helps the living better protect themselves against the murderous Islamic phenomenon. Murders that take place in an American city are limited to that American city and occur for a variety of reasons, most of which have little to do with me. This is not true of Islamic murder. The gangbanger in the city generally doesn’t care about me, has no concern to murder me because of some philosophical difference. I may generally avoid him by avoiding his haunts. Islam is murderous. It seeks to murder me because of my national identity, though I have never sought to harm a muslim in my life. It seeks to murder my wife and children, whether I am at home, in France, in Africa, in Australia or New Zealand. It is therefore quite important to the living to underscore Islam and peg it wherever it exists. Islam is behind the murders that are taking place worldwide and there is no excuse for it.
You suggested that Muslims exclusively are murderous and barbaric. I am suggesting that they may not be alone in their murderous habits.
No other group exports murder as do the muslims.
I am not defending them......I'm just not willing to buy into your biases.
Your problem is that instead of buying into bias, you have bought into the ridiculous belief that bias is generally unjustified. I lost an office and very many friends on 911. My bias is more than justified. The World Trade Center no longer exists and civilized innocents have been destroyed for ages all because of muslims. There is no excuse for it at all. Civilized people do not resort to murder to solve their issues. To claim that I or Condie Rice or George Bush or Ariel Sharon or even Bill Clinton caused the death of these innocent people is ridiculous. Muslims caused the murders and no others and they did it ultimately because of their savage religion. So all of your “savage Europe/noble Islam” crap has no currency here. The facts through the ages, right up to this very moment are all against you.
Islam, the religion is not savage just as Christianity is not savage.
Islam is savage indeed – and so are those who truly follow it.
Some Muslims are savage and use their religion to justify their behavior. In the same way, Christians did during the crusades and the inquisition in Spain.
Sure. Leftists will always bring up the Crusades and Inquisition. Stick a filthy leftist and he will squawk, "Crusades! Inquisition!" The fact is, these were minor blips on the incomprehensibly vast scale of religious destruction. Atheist religionists in Russia at one time murdered in one month the number of people the Inquisitors destroyed during the entire Inquisition.
Even so, in virtually all significant cases of wrongdoing in the history of humankind since the emergence of Christianity, Christians have been involved in ultimately seeking and employing solutions. This includes the Crusades, the Inquisition and the wholesale murders that helped take Russia. Christians have always defended life, even when they had to do it against other so called Christians. That is just not true of Islam. Muslims murder constantly, with no significant Islamic outcry at all. You simply cannot find that in Christian history. Muslims are actually murdering other muslims right now in Africa and it is Christians who are launching the outcry.
BTW who do you think were the victims in the Spanish Inquisition?
Check it out:
Irrelevant.
We are in the middle of Islamic terrorism. Who's to say how it will end or who will end it?
Islam has been terrorizing the world from its very beginning. Muslims didn’t just walk into Europe handing out free falafels and copies of the Muslim Times. (sheesh, what stupendous ignorance.) They employed violence for the express purpose of spreading Islam. They are still doing this.
Okay. Now you've lost me.......are you another T. Delay who can see Satan whenever he looks around?
I am a realist who realizes that when muslims murder 3000 people in a single day with no real challenge from any other muslim, and when muslims murder hundreds of others at a time with no real challenge from any other muslim, and when muslims murder repeatedly in foreign lands having nothing to do with muslim issues, this, with no real challenge from any other muslim, Islam is quite a savage religion and its culture is most barbaric.
Oh, grow up......and read a book!
Very well, and you try to learn how to avoid being ridiculous.
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