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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
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To: Bilow who wrote (130398)4/29/2004 10:07:15 AM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
Your "guess" avoids the simple fact that the show of force put on by the "ideological terrorists" is far more effective than the show of force that the United States can put on, at least in terms of its effect on the "non-ideological" people.

Of course it is.. when we permit these groups to continue intimidating the average Iraqi into non-cooperation.

Listen Carl... we're playing by rules the bad guys feel no need to follow.

Let me relay a story an associate was telling me. He's from the mid-east originally and was accompanying the military during the invasion of Iraq assisting in translation.

They had captured and were interrogating this Iraqi prisoner who they KNEW was involved in guerilla activities.

The guy wouldn't tell the Americans anything because he understood that we had rules against abusing prisoners..

So this guy goes in and flat out tells him..

"Look.. you can see I'm not an American. We have ALL the evidence we need to prove your activities.. Now if you don't talk, I'll beat the crap out of you..."

The guy started talking... Because he knew the guy was serious and not held to the same standards of conduct the Americans were..

So part of my solution is that it's all well and good that the Americans and Brits play "good guy".. But we'd better be more than willing to turn it over to Arabs, when necessary, to create the kind of order and security that some of these people will respect (or at least fear).

And those that have no desire to moderate their violent agendas? They must be eliminated or detained and segregated until their attitudes change..

What this is going to take is empowering moderate Arabs to have the courage to wage both a battle of ideals, as well as the physical struggle, with their own militant factions.

Hawk
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