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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
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To: carranza2 who wrote (131609)5/5/2004 4:35:02 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (2) of 281500
 
Carranza2, that's an excellent post. It's well written, it's addressed to the point of my post and it's convincing in it's sound logic. I appreciate that.

If you'll reread my posts, however, I think you'll see that I was making the point that this kind of prisoner-procured information is too valuable and too critical to the mission for the methods of it's extractions to be left to the independent actions of a few guards.

In fact I think that most careful analysts would agree that this intelligence procurement must have been understood and designed at the highest levels.

Either that or the Army and civilian authorities in Iraq are running such a poorly organized effort that the head doesn't know what the arms are doing.

I'm certainly not saying that I can name names. What I am saying is that I've been around long enough to make some pretty good projections on how things work.

I'd be happy to entertain any logical explanations of how this kind of information from prisoners could have been forthcoming without any intelligent and informed higher level leader being in the knowledge loop? Absent that, I think I'll stay with the view that it was very probable that these torture methods were sanctioned at the highest levels or, absent that, were ignored by those that wanted to know without being accountable for knowing.

Because, after all, people don't turn against those they've fought with and against the ideas they've fought for within a few hours or days unless they have some pretty good incentives. Torture is a pretty good incentive and I can't think of what else could have been expected to work.
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