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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
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To: Paul van Wijk who wrote (132376)5/9/2004 4:07:45 PM
From: h0db  Read Replies (1) of 281500
 
Good points, Paul.

Also note that Frederick and Graner, whom some have called the ringleaders of the abusive treatment, were prison guards in civilian life. Frederick (and his wife) worked at a medium-security prison in Virginia. Graner worked since 1996 as a guard at a maximum -security prison in Pennsylvania.

First, what does it tell you that some of the worst abuser were civilian prison guards? They knew exactly what they were doing and knew it would have been illegal in a US context. Don't tell me they didn't know the Geneva Convention or US Army regulations on handling prisoners.

Second, this also puts lie to the idea that these were a few bad apples. They reflect a segment of American society that we don't want to see. The military reflects society, for good or ill.
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