Hierarchy is more than obedience and accountability. Yes, Muslims believe that obedience and accountability is directly between you and God. However, there is still a hierarchy of teaching and religious decrees.
You are an uninformed numbskull.
"Islam is inherently democratic because it does not have a religious hierarchy or spokesperson. What Islam has is generations of religious scholars (Ulama), and Muslims are in effect free to choose whom to follow or not to follow."
islam-democracy.org
"Islam does not have the same kind of hierarchy as some other religions. There is no top official or ruling board for Islam. Muslim mosques, or masjids, and associations are independent."
freep.com
"CHAPEL HILL - If you want the Catholic position on terrorism, ask the Vatican. If you want the Southern Baptist position, refer to the Executive Committee and the resolutions of the annual convention. There may be dissent, as in all faiths. But these offices have the authority to speak on behalf of their religion.
Islam has no organized church to speak with such authority. As the world confronts terrorism, no single Muslim or Islamic organization can tell us definitively what Islam says on the subject."
unc.edu
"On the major vulnerabilities of the Islamic belief system, Mr. Khalid Saeed, pointed out:
1. No religious hierarchy in Islam: Post 9/11 there was criticism that no one (like the Pope is central figure in Catholic religion) condemned terrorism on behalf of Muslim, but Muslims do not have that central figure."
amuslimvoice.org
Islam is a decentralized faith. It has nothing like the role of the pope of the Catholic faith. No single authority exists who may interpret Islam for those who believe in it. In fact, Islam lacks any form of ordained clergy or religious hierarchy. Muslims believe in a direct relationship between the individual and God without the benefit of someone like a rabbi or a priest.
Although Muslims recognize religious scholars as a resource to help them more fully understand their faith, every Muslim is responsible for their own interpretation of Islam. As a result, a Muslim is under no religious obligation to abide by the interpretation of another Muslim, no matter who they are, the extent of their education or position they hold. Therefore, no one may declare a jihad in Islam and bind Muslims to that decree."
www2.acc.af.mil
It is not a flat structure. To claim so is ignorance.
I never claimed it was "flat." I have here many times mentioned the clear fact that there are leaders and followers in islam, but none of these leaders are accountable to any other. And so all gain their authority ultimately by the followers attached to them. The point here is that your comparing Catholic priests in a strict hierarchy to islamic clerics is just stupid, completely numbskullic.
If a Grand Ayatollah issues a fatwah, it has much more influence and weight that Bozo Laden's fatwah for jihad.
Hey, you wanna talk this crap go right ahead. I have given you the facts. The greater influence is only in your little mind. It clearly is not in the minds of the tens upon tens of thousands of muslims who are right now attempting to murder you. There is no authority to define islam here. These Grand Scumsuckers you are mentioning here are not authoritative.
Will some follow Bozo Laden? Sure, just like some follow Falwell, Robertson, Swaggart, and the rest of the Christian Bozos.
Not one of these leaders is calling for the wanton murder of anyone. Not one of them has authority to lead millions to cheer at the murder of 3000 people. Not one has a literal army consisting of by some estimates over 100,000 murderers who are murdering people based upon islam. You are a friggin' numbskull to be making such silly comparisons here.
There are also Islamic rulings that are used to guide Muslims on a wide variety of subjects. Hmm, couldn't find one that said, "Go attack Christians". Go figure.
No need. The leaders are serving as guides and clearly the followers are listening and obeying, you goofy ignoramous.
You keep saying 'like islam calls for', yet you don't cite any references to just how Islam is making this call.
(Muslims are murdering people all over the world citing the Quran and here this clown wants "references.") You have many problems. One of the smallest is that you are a numbskull, a friggin' numbskull, trying to treat islam as if it has an authoritative structure that can define the religion. You are in error. Islam has no hierarchy such that we might point to a Grand Boogerpicker in Iran and treat him as if his view has weight for the murderous cleric in Saudi Arabia. There is no authority here and so the murderous view cannot be dismissed as the view of a "Bozo." The murderers actually have the power to murder and no muslim can stand authoritatively against them. Since this is true, then these murdering clerics define islam, at least the only islam that matters.
Muslims around the world have been frustrated with America's pro-Israeli stance, which they see as repressive to the Palestinians.
Well I'm frustrated with your being such a dishonest numbskull. This nevertheless gives me no right to murder you and your numbskull of a kid. There is no excuse for it. There is no excuse at all.
As such, many Muslims are angry with the US, and some are willing to give their lives for their cause.
THey can give their lives however much they wish. They have no natural right to murder innocent unattached beings. Since they declare this right through islam, their religion is patently barbaric, hatched in hell and now a curse upon the whole earth.
Many see an attack on America as just rewards for our support of Israel's repressive regime. They have not been called by Islam to fight, but instead acting on their own strong feelings and frustrations.
Islam's murderous leaders have called for murders and that is why the WTC no longer exists. Islam is not hierarchical and all the wishful thinking you can muster here will not make it hierarchical. It is barbaric, with no authoritative body to represent it definitively.
Exactly as the Crusaders were, with your aforementioned result in innocent deaths. There is no difference.
You are such an ungodly numbskull. The Catholic church is hierarchical, and members of the leadership actually struggled against the murder, some of them physically. Urban established his aims with authority, despite that some acted otherwise. Islam has no such authority to define which view is valid and which is not. You may claim islamic murderers are "bozos," but hey fella, you don't rate. The sandy muslim Grand Buttscratcher in Egypt doesn't rate either, if his word is not looked upon as representative of real islam. The guy who truly rates is the guy who can lead millions to sustain him as tens upon tens of thousands of muslim murderers slaughter innocent unattached people in the name of islam. He is the only guy that matters here.
These terrorists are either as secular and detached from Islam as the Crusaders were from Christianity, or else both are corrupted.
No, you are corrupted because you are trying to set yourself up as one who is able to designate some Grand Crotchmeister as an islamic Pope, when in fact you are just a friggin' numbskull.
You've talked yourself into a corner, bud, and it shows.
I've talked myself into a corner because you are in the corner and I am relentlessly coming after your numbskullic head.
You're either a hypocrite and a liar, or can't see past your nose. Which is it?
Obviously neither. You are just a dumb numbskull that you can only see these "either/or" fallacies and not the truth.
Priceless! You've managed to try to blame homosexuals! You are a true Rove disciple.
And you are a true numbskull.
When confronted with reality that you can't half-ass argue out of, blame someone completely unrelated to the problem. I'd say you have a great future at FOX.
I'd say you have no great future at all because you are a friggin' dishonest numbskull.
You really ARE Cyberken, aren't you? However, you forgot the ominous ...
But I didn't forget that you are a friggin' numbskull. |
