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To: Road Walker who wrote (187926)	5/17/2004 6:34:05 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) of 1577135

but still the fact that welfare combined with other benefits can pay more then some entry level jobs does provide a perverse incentive. Sometimes people are less well off when they take a job. Prove that that is significant, or even true. Significant is largely subjective but it is true that some people receive more money in benefits then the lowest paying jobs would give when you consider all federal and state benefits. This is esp. true for part time jobs. "The program, called Pursuit of New Opportunities (PONO) provides that welfare payments - which at $712 a month for a family of three are among the highest in the nation" siliconinvestor.com That is just the basic welfare payment for a family of three. People who qualify for the basic welfare payment are also eligible for other forms of government aid or subsidy. The US minimum wage is $5.15 which equals about $885 a month for a full time job. The other payments and benefits can add up to more then the $173 a month difference esp. for people with medical problems that are paid for by Medicaid. Also that level is for a family of three, not every family on welfare only has 3 children. The amount received would be higher for a family with more kids. Also even when the job pays a bit more then the welfare benefit there is something of a perverse incentive if you can get almost as much money not working as you can working. Fortunately welfare reform has reduced these perverse incentives. They used to be worse. But they have not gone away entirely. "I see your perspective but on the other hand it is in another way criminal to take from some by force, to help out others. " Crap. That's what government and taxes are all about. Everything bill, every road, everything the government does takes and gives. That's the fact Jack. The debate is who gives, who takes. Not every bill is for redistribution of wealth but even if every bill and law was for that purpose it wouldn't change the fact that it is in a way criminal. There is so much give to Corporate welfare, why do you guys fret over a few 1/10's of a penny to a few folks that scam the welfare system. The Corps are scamming the system for many time that amount. 1 - I'm not fretting so much over welfare scams. They exist and its a bad thing but I recognize that its a very small percentage of the budget and I don't talk about such scams that often. 2 - I don't think scams are a huge problem in corporate welfare either. Maybe scams amount for a bigger percentage then in regular welfare but in both cases its not the scams that I am mostly concerned about. Even when the beneficiaries are being honest and following the rules I have problems with the programs, esp. for corporate welfare because it has less justification. Robbing from the rich to give to the poor is still robbing but it doesn't strike as negative of cord as robbing from everyone to give to the rich. you are just another brainwashed talk show conservative that is so self-absorbed that "welfare queen" boils the blood Your the only one I see talking about welfare queens. I have not been using the term, nor even focusing on people who scam welfare. Not that I really see anything wrong with someone focusing on stopping such fraud, there should always be some focus on stopping fraud, but personally I think there are bigger issues to worry about. Tim

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