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To: lorne who wrote (13624)	5/25/2004 4:48:26 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) of 14610

tejek. You said...." What I did say is that I do not see what the starting of a pre emptive war in Iraq and subsequent loss of lives and dollars has to do with the war on terrorism "..... ...."What does 9/11 and Iraq have to do with each other? "..... Tell me something are using hindsight when you ask these questions. Not at all.......anyone who knows the ME and understood the nature of Saddam knew that Bush was telling us BS. Saddam has always been secular......in fact, his party, the Ba'athists, was started by a Christian in Damascus that branched out to Bagdad. The gov'ts of Syria and Iraq were the two least Islamic nations in the ME. Its one of the reasons why Iran and Iraq were at such loggerheads. In fact, OBL and Saddam disliked each other immensely. OBL is a religious ideologue....he thought of Saddam as an infidel. The only al Qaeda activity was limited to the semi autonomous Kurds in northern Iraq. And Saddam was not allowed to have much contact with the Kurds after the Gulf War. IMO. Iraq war was as you say pre emptive. It was believed by most world leaders and the UN that sadam had WMD and 9/11 was a wake up call to pay attention to islam terrorism and what they WOULD do if they had WMD. It was believed that Saddam still had some WMDs left......by 1998, the inspectors were sure they had destroyed at least 95% of them. They returned in 2003 to see if there were any remaining. Why didn't Bush allow them to finish their jobs? 9/11 was a wake up call but not just to be aware of the danger that terrorists posed. It was a wake up call for us to pay more attention to what our gov't is doing in foreign lands. And if you believe the terrorists are going after us simply out of envy then you are fooling yourself. You need to learn more about the games our gov't played in the late 70s and during the 80s in the ME. War in Iraq takes the war against islam terrorism to their land. Not ours. Firstly.....why do you continue to believe the ramblings of our gov't when there is considerable evidence to suggest that they do not know about what they are talking? There are terrorists cells all over the world including the US and Europe and don't for second fool yourself that Bush has cleaned up the cells in this country. They can strike at us whenever they have sufficient funds to pull off such a heist off. The last time it took ten years in between heists......I suspect the next time it will be much sooner. Money is pouring into the terrorists thanks to the war in Iraq. Secondly, the war in Iraq may have taken a small aspect of the war on terror to them but the real fight is underground. Our intel needs to be like the Israeli intel, Mossad. Our intel is pitiful and its not getting half the info we need.......nor is it doing an effective job. As for the war in Iraq, what's its done best is encouraged more and more Muslim men to join the fight against the West. Its as if we've hit an Africanized beehive with a big stick. We are in serious $ht and we will pay for the neocons' ignorance of foreign lands for years to come. The islam terrorists now believe that the USA will go anywhere and attack any place that is believed to be a threat to the free world from islam terrorism.* So what? The Muslim terrorists believe they are fighting the good fight against an evil invader. They have suffered for two hundred years under the western colonists. The US is just one more of them......a newer version with grander ideas.......but no less an imperialist. There are 1.3 billion Muslims covering a third of the world with some of the highest birth rates in the world. We could fight for the next 100 years and not defeat them. Besides, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are draining us dry fiscally. What would you be saying a few years down the road if sadam was left in power and WMD were given to islam terrorists to use on US cities.? There are no WMDs. They were destroyed in the 90s. Would you then use hindsight and say President Bush was negligent for not taking out sadam when he had the chance? I will never ever forgive Bush for what he's done. He has opened Pandora's box, and long after he is gone, we will pay for his hubris and mendacity. And that's not a prophesy......its our future reality. IMO a strong message has been sent to the world of islam and the islam terrorists operating from within their religion. Try looking ahead instead of behind, look around the world and ask yourself if changes for the better in the world of islam are occurring because of the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq? Over the years islam terrorism has been getting bolder and bolder because of the lack of real response from the free world. How many times have they attacked US interests and civilians with no real response from the USA? Wake up and smell the coffee. You've seen what one year of bad thinking has wrought. It will get worse because you and Bush are wrong. There is no other way to say it. IMO a very very strong overdue message has been sent to the world of islam whether you like it or not. Chasing islam terrorist around the world by secret agents undercover and eliminating them is good and is ongoing but for the most part is something we do not see nor does the world of islam and the terrorist in their midst. Again, you are wrong......this is not the kind of fight to be done by a standing army. If there had to be a country in the Arab muslim world that could be used to send a message to the world of islam it was/is Iraq. President Bush may be removed as President because of his of his policies but the message he sent to the world of islam can not be removed. It will always be remembered and this is good. No, it is bad.

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