People can see for yourself that you putting quotation marks around posts from all over the place so that I need to grab your crap from several different posts while you pretend that you are responding to the post you are referencing! Jesus! You have become a complete cowardly shyster poster, Greg! I swear to whatever God ever masturbated across this great land--you have become a real SHYSTER POSTER! Anybody who will put sentences in quotes that are mixed up across weeks of conversation pretending to be in legitimate argument is nothing but a shyster!
"Your specific reasons for holding others to your standards are completely arbitrary."
Your point was answered and shoved down your throat three times. If you wish to change it then do it in a separate post without pretending you are responding to the original.
"Yes but if the standards themselves are "Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference:" and "Not limited by law" then they are arbitrary"
As I said..if there is any discernable basis for the standards then they are not arbitrary. And it goes without saying that no community in written history has ever had arbitrary standards except when religious spokespersons were allowed to set individual penalties by direct yapping with their God. Totally irrelevant to Greg's meaningless squirming here.
"DUHH? The couple of thousand murders committed during the inquisition pale in comparison...
Oh, grow up. Just off the top of my head there were something like 20,000 Albegensians massacred in the 13 th century in a few days. There were about 70,000 Jews murdered in about 1385. Some estimate that about 10,000,00 people were murdered over the centuries. It went up day to day and week to week and year to year. Shut your stupid mouth about the "couple of thousand".
"I have no problem saying that one of those positions is intentionally evil precisely because they knew what they were doing was wrong"
So you think that every time there has been a raid, a clash, or a war, that one side KNEW they were WRONG??!! YOU ARE A COMPLETE JOKE, GREG!!
"OTOH you have no rational basis to make any objective ethical judgments on the matter having denied objective standards exist."
Once again I must call you on being a deliberate liar. You have argued for Absolute morality (given by your particular God through some unexplained something). I have said that morality is relative (which is obvious to anyone), but that reason and reality provide some commonality so that objective standards may be considered. But regardless of how rationally astute we become, we will always treat others from a subjective perspective and a self interest. All ethical behaviour starts with the wish to preserve life and to live well and happy.
"all I did was to put some real uniforms on your analogy"
AS I said: "I have never espoused Nazism. Indeed, I am at the farthest remove from it. That was gutless retort. You have tried to use Nazism to misdirect the poor ignorants and unfortunates whom visit this thread from time to time." Your "arguing" method is gutless.
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I repeat:
That simply states that only an idiot would suggest that most of the killers from clan and country were anything but sincere in their belief that they were doing the good. I, of course, gave many examples of native tribes clashing after the winter melt to kill and steal from one another. You have tried to use Nazism to misdirect the poor ignorants and unfortunates whom visit this thread from time to time. But you will ONLY fool the ignorant by contriving such an association which exists nowhere in my posts or in my life. You are a stupid and a mean person just for intentionally pretending such a thing. But back to the point. No, I did not imply ANYTHING about moral equality. YOU, HOWEVER...WERE INSISTING ON IT!
I pointed out that history is a record of clashes of culture, country, and politics. I pointed out that people generally think they are doing the right thing (DUH!). I pointed out that IF THEY WERE SINCERE, then your premise that knowledge of right and wrong was "written on their hearts" leads to the inevitable conclusion that MORALITY IS RELATIVE!!!
IF morality is ABSOLUTE, and
IF it is written upon ALL HEARTS, then
ANY clash of moral value represents BOTH dishonesty and EVIL.
BOTH (according to your ummmm...theory :-)) are aware of what is the RIGHT. So, at least one of then always had to be CHOOSING wrong! But this flies in the face of thousands (millions) of tribal celebrations praising the good of some warrior who killed or stole from another who was trying to do the same!" |
