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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank
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To: TimF who wrote (80708)6/17/2004 5:56:40 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) of 82486
 
"We aren't arguing about what the law says as much as we are arguing about what it should say"

You were responding to my comment that "if you sell apples, you don't turn away Jews or Christians or women or anybody else without just cause."

So let us cut to the chase. SHOULD the law allow people selling goods and services to Jews, Christians, women, or anyone else be sanctioned to arbitrarily allow them to refuse the aforementioned {or any others} service under the law?? YES OR NO??

"I doubt he would. I know I wouldn't want to be treated that way for similar reasons"

EXACTLY. And how can society respect human rights and freedoms of religion and such...and,as well, promote the idea of rights to property and safety and life itself without laws which prevent the vicious discrimination and forcible impoverishment of distinct groups of people??

"Forcing someone to associate with and contract with people that they don't want to have dealings with shows little or no respect or regard for their human rights and freedoms."

Don't be ridiculous. We are in this world together. You don't let a Jew stand 11 minutes at the checkout to buy an apple and then tell her to go to Hell because you don't sell apples to Jews. If I cannot deny you the right to sell {and thus earn a living}, then you ought not be allowed to deny me the right to buy {and thus preserve my life}.

I know you have taken a few courses and now think you know it all. I've been there. But you will learn someday that the answers to living as people with people are never as smug or facile as they now seem. "Natural rights" are just proxy for being intelligent and reasonable and using your brain to create a better world. It all comes down to human opinions of how best to live together.
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