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To: one_less who wrote (1021)	6/25/2004 4:44:54 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) of 1112

In the discussion you have been involved in 'freedom of association' you find your self butting heads because freedom of association is seen as being at odds with one person's ideas of personal liberties. I would place freedom of association as an example of or a subset of personal liberty, not something opposed to it. The forces or balances of justice that exist when the condition 'justice for all' exists. That's a difficult concept to complelty wrap my head around. I can imagine a hypothetical situation where there is no injustice but I'm not sure that would require any special forces or if it did, whether I could say anything about those forces. Look back at the link I provided and see if that idea resolves the conflict. Such forces could perhaps solve the practical problem if they intervene in some way. I personally would resolve the problem by saying that there is no principle of justice that demands legal or other forcible compulsion of private individual to not discriminate due to race, religion, sex, ect. The way you would get justice for all and minimal conflict is if there was no law compelling people not to discriminate in such a fashion but at the same time no one was a bigot, or was heavily biased in such a way as to cause them to want to discriminate in such ways. You would then have the full extent of personal freedom of association, but you would have none of the unfairness from having some groups of people excluded or discriminated against. In such a situation you would have 'justice for all' and I suppose by your definition the 'forces or balances of justice' that existed in that state or that brought that state about would be the "Librae of Justice" or at least how it applied itself to discrimination. Tim

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