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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (53282)	7/8/2004 7:29:41 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) of 793754

if members of the Bush administration were to call Kerry a French Socialist or a German Christian Democrat, that would be fine and dandy, no slur about 'whose interests is he really working for' intended? Nadine, I am struggling to get my head around that. I understand on a conceptual level the point you're making but I'm having trouble imagining that example in practice. Soldiering on, though, it seems to me that if you call Kerry a French Socialist you're saying that his political philosophy is in sync with theirs. Unless you spit it out, in which case it's a slur. A really dumb one. We do have an actual case that is pretty parallel. There was a lot of chatter a while back about how much more comfortable and compatible Blair was with the Bush administration than with his own party with which he was at odds. Was that a slam? Was he being called a traitor or a pawn? Maybe some meant it that way. Who knows? I take it at face value--that there's a resonance there. We're allowed as citizens to find resonance in other parts of the world. No different from studying and appreciating Japanese management or British common law. Which is how I take "Likudnik" although I recognize that there could be something more to it. Different people will read different things into what is presented to them. I think we should always be reticent about attributing what we infer from the speaker's words to the speaker and even more cautious about designating it as insult and then getting all exercised over it. That can be self-fulfilling. (the Mossad knows everything, right? would that our CIA enjoyed such a reputation), Mossad does have that reputation. Are you suggesting that it is not warranted? I always took it for granted that they were the alpha intelligence agency in the world. Wolfowitz, Perle and Krauthammer turned on the Jew-beams and dragged America into a perfectly unnecessary war purely to safeguard Israel. Flip that around. We have a bunch of disaffected liberals two or three decades ago who concocted this whole political philosophy of neoconservatism just so that they could rationalize the safeguarding of their homeboys in Israel? LOL. As I understand neoconservatism, we have the conservatism of the traditionalist western civilization coupled with their old liberal nannyism. In foreign affairs this manifests itself as advocacy for and support of Western liberal democracies in the world. Of course neocons are going to support Israel given that it's a Western democracy in an undemocratic part of the world and it's under siege. It's much easier to arrive at neocon support for Israel working from the general to the specific than it is to imagine the above concoction. Perhaps that appeals to conspiracy theorists but it doesn't resonate with normal people.

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