Negative. I never said that Faith & Science were opposed to each other... I merely pointed out that --- BY DEFINITION --- Science cannot have an opinion on the Super Natural, as it is not a testable proposition.
True faith and your science are opposed by default. True faith augments reason such that those bound by nature can see beyond nature to descry the existence of nature's God. Contrariwise, your godless brand of "science" automatically assumes that reality is nature itself and that the God Who lies beyond nature has no binding import to what is natural - since science is concerned only with nature and not that which lies beyond nature.
As I have pointed out, even these so-called "testable" propositions of yours are ultimately unknowable in this reality. You live in an illusion of so-called "knowledge." It is ultimately based upon faith, and not even real faith. It is blind faith that what lies beyond nature is "by definition" beyond the purview of this arbitrarily defined thing you call "science." Where knowledge here is concerned, there is no such thing as this godless "science." There is just ignorance.
True science is concerned with knowledge, period. The philosophical godlessness you call "science" is certainly not knowledge if it remains truncated and stunted here in nature, informed by nothing beyond it. There is no real certainty at all in the domain of science. To put it another way, there is no real knowledge - at all.
You know this is true, and if you do not then you are simply ignorant of your inherent ignorance. In ignorance you force me to pay for programs that teach your ignorance as if it is the final reality. I know of absolute certainty that you are wrong.
Science can only concern itself with the natural, testable world.
Then "science" is just the study of ignorance. You don't even know if you exist as you think of yourself, so lost are you and everything you think you are.
Negative again. Faith in a God, and belief in the objective rules of Logic, and the Scientific Method of testing, need not be mutually exclusive....
They are mutually exclusive as you have formulated this godless "science" of yours. It is impossible to be a consistent modern "scientist" and person of real faith because your science begins with the assumption that naturalism undergirds all "reality," including the origin of all things.
Even were God to exist and to have made all things, including nature, your "science" must, BY DEFINITION, refuse to acknowledge Him unless He meets this godless "science" on its naturalistic terms. Science, to see God, demands that the Supernatural God become natural. Not by faith, but by reason, I see that the vast majority of modern "scientists" are necessarily condemned.
They are condemned because the very minute God should meet science on its own terms, to appear in nature, "science" would be forced to assume He is not Super Natural, investigating Him "scientifically," and doubting that He is what He is. Modern science is cut off from reality, trapped only in nature - away from the Supernatual God of All Reality.
I think you ought to be free to embrace this philosophical tragedy of yours where God is simply ignored. But you ought not be free to force me to pay for it in any way where it makes claims contrary to what I am and what I know exists beyond nature. After all, you really don't have certainty enough to make these judgments for me, that you can control my purse as you aim to do.
Moreover, I think there should be a complete separation between Church and state, where the Church exists with complete autonomy and sovereignty. It should have nothing at all to do with the state, save for its location. And it should be free to speak its mind against any politician or anything else in the entire world. Just as the Church cannot infringe upon the message of your "science" religion, you ought not be able to infringe upon the message of Truth.
I ultimately don't think it possible for us to co-exist, and that our increasing disunity has your faithlessness and my faithfulness as its basis. In this year's election, the faithful will vote for Bush and heathens will go for Kerry. It is easier to be godless than faithful. So I suspect America's division will increase until we believers are no more and America collapses under the weight of its own godlessness and corresponding lack of discipline.
(By the way: I have NO IDEA what you mean when you say 'faith in godlessness'.... Such a formulation seems rather illogical.)
Philosophical naturalism is the basis of your "science." It BY DEFINITION ignores all things that cannot be "tested" in only a certain futile way. And it has no respect at all for faithfulness in God. It defines the law, forces the faithful to pay for itself in schools and even allows the godless to murder their own children with impunity. It is faith in godlessness. |
