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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (606928)8/20/2004 4:24:18 PM
From: Steve Dietrich  Read Replies (1) of 769670
 
<<Even so, his wife is irrelevant here.>>

I find his claim of having a Jewish wife makes him funnier and more of a whack-job. I certainly wasn't attempting to boost his credibility of which i give him virtually none.

He's right that there's a lot of virulently racist stuff in the Talmud. And he's right that some ultra-orthodox fundamentalists hold these (worst) Talmudic views.

One such Rabbi famously said at the funeral of Baruch Goldstein (who machine-gunned men and boys at prayer in a Hebron mosque), "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

But these people don't represent Israel, or Judaism any more than David Duke represents Christianity, America, or the Republican party.

However, in the same way that i've argued Christians should condemn the actions of Moses and Joshua as described in the Bible, i argue that Orthodox Jews should condemn the racist passages in the Talmud.

But they don't. They argue that the Talmud is something that is studied for years and years by scholars and must be understood in its entirety, that you can't just take a few lines from it to make this kind of charge as critics do.

Though i respect the argument (as i do yours about Moses and Joshua) i don't find it very compelling and i think this is another case where religious morality is inferior to secular morality: You cannot morally judge that which is believed to be righteous or holy.

Steve Dietrich
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