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To: TimF who wrote (198263)	8/24/2004 7:28:29 PM
From: tejek	of 1574674

And I will continue to question this issue.......its in my best interest to do so and its not done without justification. Questioning this administration is not without justification. Painting them as being anything like the nazis is without justification. Yes, that's what the Germans said when Hitler was taking the Jews. It happened under Bush either because no one cared and weren't watching, or because they wanted it to happen. A lot of the people who made the decisions responsible for Abu-Ghraib got those positions during the Clinton administration. But he isn't to blame either. The actions where crimes. The people who did them or ordered them done committed crimes and so they are criminals. Such crimes are a very bad thing but they are not unusual and Bush isn't responsible for them any more then any president is responsible for abuses in the federal prison system or every governor is response for crimes committed by prison guards in state prisons. What do you think Commander-in-Chief means? Its not just a title. When BA employees were found to have committed criminal acts, it was Condit, the CEO, who left. And his justification for invading was because those countries posed a threat to the German people. Sound familiar? Actually his main justification was that the countries had a lot of Germany people who should join together in a greater Germany. His 2nd justification was that Germans needed "lebensraum". The threat from other countries was only a third justification. Also you are ignoring the purpose of, and results of the invasions. Hitler conquered because he wanted to take over other countries and have them ruled by Germany. Once he had secured the other countries he set up death camps in them and killed millions of their people. What do you think Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are? Boy scout camps? The death camps started out as prisons. To whom is the PM of Iraq beholden? Who does Karzai turn to when he needs help? The US military continues to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you think everything in history has to repeat itself in exactly the same fashion? Whether they are Nazis or not is immaterial to me. 1 - An odd statement. Nazis and their ilk deserve their own category away from the normal political issues and categories. The distinction between any major player in US domestic politics and the Nazis, Stalinists ect. is very clear and important. 2 - If it was so immaterial why did you pain Bush an his administration as being like the Nazis? 3 - Again every administration in American history has pursued policies that favored particular groups over other particular groups. If this in any way connects Bush to the Nazis then every administration in our history would have to be considered somehow nazi like. My point was whether they call themselves Nazis or Neocons is immaterial to me. Their actions are what I question. refusing to recount ballots when the race in FLA was extraordinarily close. There was no refusal. The votes where counted more then once. Not statewide.....only a few counties. Given all the discrepancies and alleged corruption in the ballot count in FLA You exaggerated them and paint them all in Bush's favor when there is as much evidence that the discrepancies went in Gore's favor. Not at all....there was tons of corruption. Why do you think FLA got the nick.........the Banana Rep. of FLA? The election was arguably within the margin of error of the system to determine. But there is no solid evidence of any systematic corruption or discrepancies or distortions. That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. Of course, there was voter fraud and corruption.....the system was rife with it. You are in daNile. He didn't just talk about America's greatness......he appealed to American nationalism. Some examples: the UN is coopting America's sovereignty; Germany and France are not our allies; we are great and must go it alone.......bla bla bla bla. That example doesn't make any sense. Not giving Germany and France a veto over our foreign policy is hardly an ultra-nationalist act. How long to you think that defense will hold water? No one was suggesting allowing G or F to have veto power over us. Its called collaboration.........a policy position that seems to be alien to neocons. Not once I have I ever heard such a thing being proposed in this country until the Bushies. 1 - There was no 9/11 with previous administrations. There was a Pearl Harbor, the War of 1812, the Civil War.......never once have we talked about postponing elections. Sorry but I do not trust this administration and for good reason! ted

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